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Leaning towards soft tubing, In the past all my builds have been 1/2" ID but I am thinking of going 7/16 as it will make connecting up the rear side rads cleaner.

I keep looking at acrylic but the unsupported spans I would have to do from front to back worry me, plus I am not sold on the looks of it.
Most acrylic builds I have seen either use loads of 90deg fittings to make it work or tight awkward looking bends with the tube.

I will keep looking though.
 
Well I decided on radiators!

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4 x XSPC RX480 Quad Fan Radiator V3 £104.99 (£419.96)
Total : £419.95 (includes shipping : ).



Hope to have them at the end of the week if OcUK gets their stock delivered.

I picked the XSPC RX480 V3 as the 360 versions come out on top of Bundymanias review at the fan RPMs I will be running and the 4 ports will be useful for temperature sensors and drain valves.
 
Do you mean the TFC Admiral?
I really liked the look of it, the quality looks amazing but no 480 size so I discounted it.
I don't mind old designs and almost kept with the trusty SR-1 but sacrificed 9FPI silence for a little more FPI and the 4 port design.

Ah the TFC XChanger, I can't even find them for sale anymore?
 
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Yeah the RX has 13 FPI, slightly more than the 9 of the SR-1, I just hope it won't make a difference dB wise as I am so used to my SR-1s with Scythe GTs.

And by dB I mean the air noise over the rad fins, not the noise directly from the fans.
 
Yep, two for the GPUs and two for CPU and mobo.

Should keep the temperatures relatively stable and could run almost passive at idle.
 
Nice cable work man. I love playing with wires me :D

Thanks Andy, I finished up the fan cables last night, decided to have each rad on its own fan channel of the Aquaero for maximum control.
With each cable being within an inch of exact length to plug in it should make for some nice cable management.

Going to do the same thing with the Aquabus cables to connect up the flowmeters and pumps to the Aquaero.

I can run passive with 2x240x60's with a 3770k and a 780.

Nice! I could probably run passive at idle with my current setup but I only have manual fan control and would forget to turn them back up!
 
Here you go, a few quick pictures.

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I will be cutting down the pump power cables, sleeving them and using a black molex to tidy them up.
 
Thanks for the pics can you get a pic of the mounting mechanism attached to the res Please as I am looking for a tube res for my 900d

Here you go, these are the optional rubber decouplers, the ones that come with the pump top are solid plastic.

I didn't put all the washers and nuts on but you get the idea.

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Bought two more fans from OcUK!

I needed some airflow fans for the exhausts, one on the motherboard tray and one on the hdd cage at the front right. I didn't want just the PSU fan as an exhaust on that side so will be exhausting out the rear on the left side and front on the right side. I hope these will give enough exhaust flow as not to cause too much positive case pressure which may stall the intake fans at higher rpms.

Decided to try the Noctua NF-S12B REDUX 700RPM fans out as they can run at full voltage off the mobo or PSU and produce 53.5 CFM at only 6.9dB!


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I think the grey looks quite good in the all black case, I was looking for an all black fan but couldn't find anything of the same quality. These have a nice industrial kind of look but if I decide I don't like them when done, the plastic frames are easy enough to paint.

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Also a quick picture of the only spare PSU I could find to test things with. Anyone remember these ugly monsters? :D

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So the fan total is now 18 + PSU fan.
 
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Thanks!

I really am hopeful that by making all my own cables to the right length I can keep the right or behind motherboard side of the case as clean and tidy as possible. Even though I have a solid door on that side I may get a windowed one in the future if it looks good.
Right now I am slightly concerned about the tubing that will be in that side, getting the opposite side upper and lower rads linked together with the flow meters in there and going around the PSU and HDD cage is troubling. I hope once I have all the parts in it won't be so bad as the picture of it that I have in my head!
 
The Noctua fans seems great but the CFM rating is not right somewhere.
On OcUK it says they are 53.5 CFM. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-038-NC
Noctua website rated them at 56,9 m³/h which I am pretty sure you divide by 1.7 to get 33.5CFM. http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=93&lng=en&set=1
The 1200rpm version is rated at 100,6 m³/h which would be 59.2 CFM so OcUK have that right http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-037-NC
I should have checked on Noctua first as the numbers on OcUK were too good to be true.
The dB rating of them must be right though because you just can't hear anything unless you put your ear right up to them.
So I am happy with the noise level as I plan to be able to turn all the rad fans off and pumps down very low at idle and just have these two Noctua exhausting the warm air. But OcUK really need to update the description as I was expecting a few more CFMs!
Remember these are "airflow" fans and not "static pressure" so not good for rads other than maybe 9 or less FPI ones.
 
The SP on these Noctua is only 0.44 mm H2O, I wouldn't use them as a rad fan personally.
That is why I bought them for airflow exhaust fans with no restriction.
As for noise, my headphones are very open and I get annoyed with humming sounds.
 
Cooling just got real!

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I noticed the boxes had a slight bulge to them and was worried that the fins could have been damaged but XSPC had that covered with well packed hardware.
Checked one out and the fins are perfect. In the past I have had rads where the fins are so mashed up I had to straighten almost every one of them.

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Just need a good way of flushing and cleaning them now.
 
I would like to try this method: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26476782&postcount=33

But I can't find any reviews where people actually use the pH test Meter before and after cleaning to show the difference cleaning makes.
Obviously all the bits of flux and that will get flushed out but I can do that with water and distilled vinegar.

I would like to use coloured coolant to match MDPC-X colours that will be on my PSU cables and obviously I don't want pH to change the colour over time.
 
Nothing too exciting today.

I ordered some oversized DEMCiflex filters for the intakes, they will fit all the way over the upper and lower intakes as the overall size is 147 x 507mm with an actual filter size of 120 x 480mm.
Apparently when clean they reduce airflow by about 20%, I will try them out and if I don't like them, then easy enough to remove and leave the stick on magnet strips in place.

Pretty hard to get a good picture when leaving them in their sealed packaging.

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Close up of the medical grade wire mesh.

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Also decided to order a Mayhems Blitz Pro kit, free postage was Royal Mail so could be here tomorrow. Just hope that 2 litres of the Part 1 is enough to do 4x480 rads.
 
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That is good to hear, thanks for the comment!

Big post on cleaning the rads with the Mayhems Blitz Pro kit tomorrow night, just waiting for my final test to finish :)
 
Radiator Cleaning with Mayhems Blitz Pro Kit

Busy weekend of football and rad cleaning :D

Lots of boring pH and TDS meter pictures incoming :p

Here is my rad cleaning setup, what a lovely sight!
Using a 1 litre plastic beaker with an Eheim aquarium pump, some clean unused 1/2 ID tube and fittings with cable ties.

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Here is the Mayhems kit

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And these are all the bits you get

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So to start off I went about calibrating the pH meter and to do this I used some RO DI 0 TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) water, I used the provided measuring cup to measure out 250ml as my glass beaker is not accurate and only goes to 200ml on the scale.
(The TDS Meter is not included with the kit and is what I use for monitoring my RO filtration systems)

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On the back of the Calibration Sachet is a table of pH levels at different temperatures.

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Mix in the sachet and stir until all the little bits have disolved

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Let the meter adjust to the temperature and take a reading

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23c would mean somewhere between 6.86 and 6.88 pH, unfortunately no matter how fine you adjust the screw on the meter it will only calibrate by 0.10 at a time. So I adjust it until it was flicking between 6.80 and 6.90 pH and left it at that.

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With that done I took a reading of clean DI water straight from the bottle.
004 ppm TDS and 5.50 pH

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I then flushed a few litres of DI water through the rads to clean out any solid bits of which there was a few black bits per rad, nothing major though so on the face of it pretty clean rads from the factory. After that I left fresh DI water circulating for just over 24 hours with nothing added just to see what the water could pickup if I was running them like this in my system.

That resulted in the TDS rising to 34 and the pH to 6.5 so the water has picked up things from inside the rads after only 24 hours! Imagine running them for a year!

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Next I flushed that water out and mixed up the full 100ml of the Mayhems Part 1 with approx 1900ml of DI Water
I checked the pH of the solution at the start of the 2 hour cleaning period and it read 2.10 pH, so almost at the desired 2.0 pH. I couldn't get a TDS reading as my meter gave an error at this pH level.

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After 2 hours of shaking every 10-15min to try and dislodge anything resulted in a reading of 2.4 pH, I am no chemist but I guess the rise means things have dissolved into the acidic solution?

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This is what the Part 1 looked like after 2 hours, all the brown stains in the bucket are from washing ferric hydroxide material used to remove phosphates in my fish tank so ignore that, the colour is what surprised me. I didn't get a good picture of the Part 1 starting colour but it wasn't this blue! There are quite a lot of little black bits floating about but it was very hard to get a picture with my camera.

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Next I pulled off the tubes and flushed a good 5 litres of RO DI through each rad to wash out all the Part 1 and during this period I found LOTS of very fine black bits in the water, too small to picture but I could see them! So not as clean as I initially thought! These bits are what Part 2 is meant to pick up and remove when it neutralises the acid but I gave a helping hand as I was surprised by just how much of it there was.

I then mixed up the Mayhems Part 2 pH neutraliser which as far as I can tell is basically a type of washing-up detergent to help suspend the particles in the fluid and flush them out as well as neutralise the acid.

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5min in with Part 2 and this is the pH reading of 5.40

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After 24 hours of circulation I was left with a pH of 7.10, nice and neutralised!

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Now you have to clean out the rads to remove all of the Part 2, the instructions say to flush twice leaving 30min of circulation between goes.
I flushed a good 30 litres of water through the rads by putting the pump in a clean bucket of RO DI water and the drain tube into another. I then let it circulate for a bit and then flushed some more!
I had to flush each rad individually at least 5 times by filling up with a few hundred ml of RO DI and shaking like a mad man, it was the only way I could clean out all the fine black particles that the Part 2 didn't get. May be a little OCD but I wanted them as clean as possible.
I think the Part 2 would have worked better if I had used a stronger pump or maybe not all 4 rads in a row!

Finally no more bits or bubbles left from the Part 2 so I was happy to setup and fill the loop once more with the same bottled DI water from the pre cleaning test with readings of 004 ppm TDS and 5.50 pH and let it circulate again for 24 hours.

After 24 hours was up the final readings are 009 TDS and 7.80 pH

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Now not being a scientist or anything I should have ran a control beaker because the pH and TDS of DI water can change just by being exposed to the atmosphere but I forgot to do that, I also was reusing the pump and tube from before so that could have caused a slight rise in TDS if they were slightly dirty.

Small warning, Do not use the Part 1 on your system, only outside of it to clean rads! Look what happens to nice new tube after only 2 hours:

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To conclude the results:

Bottled DI water readings: 004 TDS 5.5 pH
24 Hour Circulation before using Mayhems Kit : 034 TDS 6.5 pH
24 Hour Circulation after using the Mayhems Kit: 009 TDS 7.8 pH

What the difference in pH means I don't really know, quite neutral either way.

If I was going to do it all over again I would use a 50 or 100 micron filter sock under the outlet tube during the Part 2 to help pick out the fine particles during that stage rather than just recirculating them through the loop and having to flush them out manually afterwards!

Anyway, I am very happy and pretty sure I have the cleanest radiators possible!
 
If you run a system for a year or so without first cleaning the rads, take your blocks apart and look at the little fins, mine always get covered in black bits which I assume are bits of flux from the manufacturing of the rads.

Also the pH change from picking up the crap in the rads can affect the colour of your fluids, I don't know the science behind that but if it helps keep my fluids nicer for longer than I am happy.

Do you have to clean them this well? I don't think so, I just wanted to!

I have two RO systems, one for car washing and another for drinking water/fish tank. The mains water here is in the high 400 TDS range so it doesn't make a nice cuppa and leaves crazy water spots on cars. I can get as low as 4 TDS just from pre filters and RO membranes but drinking that isn't nice so it then runs through a coconut shell carbon for taste (doesn't make it taste like coconuts :p), then I can also add a DI resin stage if I want 0 TDS to mix with buckets of marine salt for the fish tank.
On a ship I guess you are running it for desalination? Must be way more complex that my setup to get it close to drinkable!
 
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