Project Viking

Been away from the forums for a wee while and now I'm back I have to say what an awesome job you are doing.
Anything with a Primo as a starter is win win in my book. While I wasn't totally sold on the colour scheme at first I'd like to congratulate you for pulling it off.

Don't fancy your chances of plugging anything in to the top of the motherboard with that rad though ! I guess you'll be removing it for that?
 
Thanks all!

Been away from the forums for a wee while and now I'm back I have to say what an awesome job you are doing.
Anything with a Primo as a starter is win win in my book. While I wasn't totally sold on the colour scheme at first I'd like to congratulate you for pulling it off.

Don't fancy your chances of plugging anything in to the top of the motherboard with that rad though ! I guess you'll be removing it for that?
Thank you, that really means a lot to me when it comes from the person who, in my book, has one of the best Primo builds out there. :D

Thanks for the heads up regarding mobo versus rad but I think I'll manage. The only things that needs plugging in there are the 12V ATX connectors and I think I'll be able to do it. I've been cursed with tiny girlish hands which sort of helps in these situations. :rolleyes: :D


I promised you an image TechMinerUK. I'm sorry that it took a day extra to get done. Also it's not the best but hopefully you'll get an idea of the slight overhang of the revolvers on these 16/10 Monsoon fittings:
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It's not much but it's there.


I spent the rest of the day(and night) yesterday thinking about which direction I wanted to go with the pump.
In the end I decided to go for the tricky and potentially harder solution of just redoing the tubes without changing the way the pump was mounted.
So today I went ahead and did some bends:
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They're currently drying after some thorough cleaning. The closest one might not look tricky but the fact that several bends are so close together makes it a real challenge to get the bends just right.
Tomorrow they'll be installed and time permitting I'll try to do a leak test that hopefully won't end with disaster... again ;)
 
Thank you for getting the photo, the Revolvers fit in quite well with the angled fittings. Also for a set of difficult tubing you've done a great job as the tubing appears to be intact with no collapsing or straining from cold bending. :D
 
Thank you for getting the photo, the Revolvers fit in quite well with the angled fittings. Also for a set of difficult tubing you've done a great job as the tubing appears to be intact with no collapsing or straining from cold bending. :D
Thanks!

I'll see if I can get an even better image later on, but I don't think there's a better option in terms of looks.
You just have to be careful with color matching revolvers with the Monsoon fittings, from what I've seen the revolvers have more bold colors while the Monsoons are a bit washed out.

There actually is a tiny bit of straining on a couple of tubes but I don't think it's visible to the naked eye but you can feel it with your fingers.




So today I have some good news and some bad news.

The good news is that the tubes I made yesterday fit like a dream and have quite interesting aesthetics:
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I'll try to give a better representation of how tight a fit this tube really is in my final photos:
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Precision, precision, precision. :D

After that I went ahead and started filling the loop again and with the pump pushing water the right way it all seems good. I only ran it for 10 minutes or so(more on that in second) but I had no visible leaks and everything seemed to be working fine.

But then the bad.
I ran out of coolant :rolleyes:
With the pump running the res is only filled up to about a quarter. No shop in Sweden has the same coolant in stock and I suppose it might be bad to mix different brands of coolant so I have to order from abroad.
With a bit of luck I'll get it by the end of next week...

I could use some advice from you, my dear readers...
With the way I've set up my loop I have a small issue when I turn off the pump and that is that water surges back into the reservoir "backwards".
As I mentioned, with the pump running the res is only filled by 1/4 but with the pump off it's completely full.
From my understanding it's good to leave some room for expansion in the reservoir but will that work with my loop?
And how should I go about filling the system? Should I just keep the pump running and fill the res until it's full, try to get as much air out as possible and then seal the system(still with the pump running)?
 
Good to see the tubing finished and it's all running properly mate, you must have the patience of a saint! I had the same issues as you with the coolant surging back the wrong way. I just gradually topped it up while it was running, then each time it was turned off the res would fill as some surged back until it got to a certain level then it would go back up the inlet pipe. Was a slow ol' job of filling / turning off / repeating but seemed to do the trick :)
 
You'll probably also find that once you've got the fill port on the reservoir closed that this won't happen. My reservoir is almost at the bottom of my case with the pump below that and everything else above it (CPU and GPU blocks plus 3x120 rad and 8 Alphacool Cape Cora passive rads) so I was worried about overflow like you. In practice it was fine.

Love the bends and the sleeving by the way. Also very interested by the SSD block as I've got a Mushkin Scorpion that runs pretty hot and begs for a cooling solution. Didn't know blocks existed - will have to look into it.
 
Ohjay, thanks for the kinds words about Midas....appreciate that man.

I'd love to know how you get on with venting the system, once I'd redone Midas with the dual cpu blocks I had a nightmare trying to vent the air. That was with soft tubing to, goodness knows how its done right without having some kinda purge valve.
 
Shame about running out of coolant as the system looks great, your bends look good with no stress in the tubing or strange collapsing. You're certainly right about precission although you seem to have that aspect sorted in the system as your tubing skills are great :)

Can't wait to see the loop filled, looking forward to the next update :D
 
Thanks all!

colinmcr, I'll definitely keep you updated on how it goes in terms of venting, I fully expect it to be a nightmare.

OJ46, did you have your inlet pipe at the top like I do or is it on the side if the reservoir?
Edit: I suddenly remembered your build log and found the answer there ;)


A small update then...
The last bits n bobs for the cables arrived two days ago so they are almost finished.
The coolant arrives tomorrow so if there are no other setbacks I think I'll be able to finish the build this weekend :D
 
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Look forward to seeing her finished Ohjay, really like the colour scheme on this build. Fingers crossed everything turns up on time and there are no issues!
 
Thanks!

The coolant arrived as promised plus I got something extra that I've been putting off, more on that later today(together with an image or two).

I might have time to fill and vent the loop today as well, we'll see. Either way there will be some sort of update tonight ;)
 
You are doing a great job.
You could even do a window on the rear side with the pump :)

Liking the colourtheme.
 
You are doing a great job.
You could even do a window on the rear side with the pump :)

Liking the colourtheme.
Neat idea! :)
It won't happen at this time but maybe when I revisit this build later to fix a thing or two.



I promised you an update and here it is.
First of all, the goodies that arrived today. Dogmeat is once again happy since there was a little baggie of goodies in the box:
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I've been looking for a good solution to monitor water temps through software and was just about to start building my own using an Arduino or Raspberry Pi when I was recommended to get an Aquaero XT instead. Said and done, that's what I did.
I might end up making my own fan controller / temp monitor down the line, but this works for me at the moment.



Remember the SLI bridge and the red plexiglass?
The plexi is now removed:
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There's a few things to take note of here. The sheet of plexi is not very big and it's just wedged underneath the top and bottom edges around the logo. Also they've seemed to use some sort of glue or adhesive tape on it as well.
Second of all, the outer layer of metal(the brushed aluminum) is really, really, really thin.

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Now, if anyone reads this and want to replicate this... What I did was that I brought out my trusty heatgun and heated the plexi so I could cut through it(see previous image). Totally unnecessary!
What you should do is simply heat up the plexi until it becomes very pliable and then just push it out of the top and bottom edges. I used a tiny screwdriver and pushed through the logo(on the frontside) just to get the plexi to lift a little, then I used the hole I had drilled previously to use as an anchor point for when I pulled the plexi out of there.
I do not recommend pushing through the logo like I did because the risk of bending or even snapping the metal right off is quite great. Better to have an anchor point so you can pull the plexi out instead.
Oh, and as I mentioned. DO NOT cut the plexi, it serves no purpose and if you're careless you might even cut through the brushed aluminum piece(see previous images and the marks I made into it by cutting).

With that done it was time to change that color. My idea all along had been to use some lighting filters that are used for spotlights(professionally) or camera flashes. My brother who's working in that field hooked me up with some samples. This is just half of them I think:
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Over 150 different colors, hues and transparancies. You can easily buy something similar on eBay for pennies.

Sorted through them and selected a few purples that most closely resembled the tubing in color. Not knowing how the LED light would change the color I thought it would be good to have a few different ones at the ready:
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All cut(with a razor) and installed, easy peasy:
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One of the good things about this Asus ROG SLI Bridge is that it comes with a power cable in case your GPU's can't light the led by themselves. So that made it easy to test the color and see if it was right without installing the SLI Bridge and powering up the computer.
Excitement!
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Fail.
Turns out the LED is also red. Not only the plexi but the actual LED too. Not at all what I expected. But since I had all those different colored filters I figured I could just use a blue one instead since blue + red = purple.
So I cut out a piece and installed it and tried again:

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Fail.
Now the light of the LED barely shone through and there was some bleeding at the edges where the red shone through.

I tried all sorts of different combinations of blues and layers of blue. Here's a couple more.

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I finally got so fed up with cutting out pieces of the filters that I simply plugged in the LED and put the filters on top just to see what it might look like. Nothing looked good.
If I got a good purple hue then the light was too dimmed. If the light was good then the hue was bad. Nothing worked.

This is the last one I did today. I might keep it, I might change it. It depends on my mood in the coming days:

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I also promised a while ago to show you my custom cables and some of the pitfalls you can quite easily fall into.
Here they are, all done, far from perfect and in some cases absolutely messy:
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The 24-pin "looks" good, but only because I've made two bends on the cables. There is still quite a bit of gap in between the wires but if I only had done one bend it would be way worse:
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This is the 4-pin 12VATX cable. This one illustrates this problem even more. With just one bend the gap between the wires is humongous:
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With two bends it's decent, but far from great:
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So what is the reason for this?
Wire length. Basically you have to adjust your wire length depending on how you are going to bend the finished cable. The wires on the outside of the bend needs to be longer than the inner ones, if not then you get this sort of issue.
There are two factors to wire length, the wire itself and the crimp. If you strip the wires unevenly you might place the crimp at a different spot on each wire which will affect the overall length of your wires.

Moving on... This is the 8-pin 12VATX cable:
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Once again we have the wire length issue, but not quite as severe since I started paying attention to this at this point. But do you notice the twisting of the connectors/wires?

This, again, has two causes(from what I can tell) and the obvious one is that the crimps at either end of the wire aren't aligned. There is some leeway with this alignment but the more one of them are twisted compared to the other, the more twisting of the wires/connectors you get.
The second cause is the sleeving itself. If you have different amounts of slack on the sleeving you get different amounts of tension on the wires which will cause them to twist.
I really did not think that this would be such a major issue but it sort of is. The amount of slack I have on the sleeving varies a lot between individual wires.

These are my GPU cables, with basically all of the above issues exemplified:
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But it's not all bad because if you just think about it a little when you are assembling the cables and if you use good cable combs you can make the "problems" appear at only one end of the cables. In my case the cable ends above will not be visible since they'll be at the PSU end, hidden behind the motherboard tray/wall.

This is what will be visible, and it looks sort of neat, even though the cable training isn't quite done yet:
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I'm surprised at how dim the LED is when the filters are placed over it, still though it looks pretty good and the cables look great, even with the gaps as the gold and purple really does pop out :)
 
A great build log to see some of the challenges for certain aspects of the overall customisation process - particularly the cable braiding experience. Top marks and really looking forward to the finished rig.
 
I might be able to shed some light (no pun intended) on your LED colour issue. When you said red+blue= purple this is only true for a certain set of circumstances. Specifically this is additive colour mixing - like you'd get in paint. With filters you get subtractive mixing (filtering). The blue filter is blue because only the blue light passes through it - the rest is filtered out. Red is a primary colour - just red, not a mix of say yellow and blue. Because of this when you filter out everything but blue, you get darkness. This is true for absolutes (100% red, 100% blue) so some combinations gave you colour change but very dim. Because the light you started with doesn't contain the colours you want, you cannot achieve it by filtering. You could achieve it by swapping the LED for white and filtering that or you could achieve it by adding a blue LED to the red LED and then using something like a frosted filter to diffuse (mix) them.

Nice work getting that far - shame Asus ruined it for you - unless there's room to add an LED...?

Cables look good - they'll be fine once in place. Nice work.
 
Thanks all.

Not so surprising TechMinerUK because the filters all have different transparancy values. They range from 6% up to about 65%. The lower the number the less light can pass through. With a high value transparancy the LED is really bright.

Ah, that would explain it. Thanks Cenedd!
I'll have to take a closer look at the LED construction but from what I saw earlier today it won't be easy to add or change the LED. :(
 
Can't really see the other piece of the SLI bridge you're working on but if you've removed the thick plexiglass and are putting in a thin filter, you may have a bit of room. Not enough for a full size LED (5mm) or even a 3mm LED but you could probably get a surface mount LED in there and you may be able to just run it in parallel with the existing red one. Something like these: http://eastbay-rc.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/smd-led-sizes.html
 
I can definitely respect those pipe bending skills... The compound bends where you have two changes of direction in a short space are a pain to get right.

I have to say I love the bold colour scheme too - I know it's vikings colours but I'm just seeing pimp daddy! Nice to see something more out of the ordinary.
 
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