Pronouns: he , him, she, her, they, them

I always put UEI after my name - If anyone knows what that means you are as old as me.

If I have to fill a form in and it asks what gender you are I write as many pronouns down I can think of and say pick one.
It is all a load of crap isn't it :D
 
Werewolf said:
Really so you'd know if a Sam or a Kim was a man or a woman without ever met them?
Let alone those who don't have "English" first names, or who are known by a shortened version of their name.
There are three Sam's in my extended family, two are women, one is a man, I had both an aunt and an uncle "Chris".
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Come on Werewolf. That isn't the primary reason why people are now putting pronouns in their email signatures. So let's not pretend like it is.

We some how managed to figure out how to cooperate with people in foreign countries with foreign names, where it is impossible for a non native speaker to know their gender and somehow it worked out. Lets not act like we can't figure out how to work with english names that are used by both men and woman
 
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Pronouns in signatures have been popular at the last few jobs i've had. Never had an issue with anyone that uses them, never had any problem referring to people as they/them to play it safe. The few times i've used the wrong pronouns the person didn't make a big fuss about it.

I really dont get why anyone is against it.
 
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sidimmu said:
Disagree with this, it might be a Gen Z thing and I think Gen Z are going to be the only ones who truly give a crap about it.
The next generation will look at it, laugh and move on and it'll just be the ones who got roped in to it all will still be the ones going on about it. The rest of the world will move on.
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Nah, gen alpha are being brought up on the internet, weaned on it. They will eat, drink and sleep the internet. If anything they'll be even more into it.
 
explicit4u said:
Pronouns in signatures have been popular at the last few jobs i've had. Never had an issue with anyone that uses them, never had any problem referring to people as they/them to play it safe. The few times i've used the wrong pronouns the person didn't make a big fuss about it.

I really dont get why anyone is against it.
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This is an important aspect of the issue I feel gets missed by folks in a the dash to be on one side or another.

I honestly don't believe that the vast majority of people deliberately aim to make an issue out of pronoun use either one way or the other, but as always, it's those edge cases at the fringe (the 5%'ers on either side) which make life harder for everyone else i.e. whilst the people you've accidentally used incorrect pronouns with haven't made a fuss "so far" all it takes is one complaint to HR after either a new mistake, or someone overhearing the old mistake, and suddenly the "people don't make a fuss" thought becomes a HR meeting with potential career considerations.

The same goes for those who point-blank refuse to use a person's pronouns after being informed of them, making someone else's life harder than it needs to be.

Both of those examples are edge cases which are extremely rare but those are the cases that get the most PR/Press/SM interactions and therefore drive the narrative the hardest, ignoring the overwhelmingly vast majority who don't make an issue out this.
 
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Lysander said:
Nah, gen alpha are being brought up on the internet, weaned on it. They will eat, drink and sleep the internet. If anything they'll be even more into it.
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well your guess is as good as mine.
Just because they are weaned on to it, does not mean they will follow the same rules, principles and anger as the generation before them.
 
peterwalkley said:
Not all cultures know all first names, so it can be helpful to disambiguate when dealing with people all over the world. There are also first names that can apply to either sex.
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It perhaps does have some minor utility in the case of someone called "Lesley" but I've worked with a couple of "Lesleys" in the past and neither felt the need to put third person pronouns in thier e-mail sig, their more broadly isn't down to them being useful, it's just virtue signalling. It's not like you're going to use third person pronouns in an e-mail sent to Lesley and I presume you're not going to treat them differently upon learning their sex/gender.

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I mean firstly, when I get these emails at work, it's often in a context where I will be communicating with that person directly - so will use the second person 'you' and don't have much occasion to refer to colleagues in the 3rd person so don't need to be told if they are he/she/it/them etc
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Yeah it's basic manners to not do so; "who is she, the cat's mother" most people should have been taught that it's impolite to refer to adults like that, if they're in the conversation/present you shouldn't talk about them as if they're not there!

It seems to be an american thing perhaps, a friend of mine said that at his company they go around and give pronouns as well as names at the start of each meeting but that seems redundant as using them would be surely very disrepectful:

"his team completed testing and her team is due to start implimentation at the client site on Monday"

vs

"Jack's team completed testing and Sandra's team is due to start implimentation at the client site on Monday"

The first version presumably often involves pointing fingers at people too when refering to them as merely "he" and "her". There should be no need to do that, it's quite dismissive of the people refered to.
 
peterwalkley said:
Not all cultures know all first names, so it can be helpful to disambiguate when dealing with people all over the world. There are also first names that can apply to either sex.
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You'd be amazed how much I email people all the time who i've never spoken to on the phone - And yes sometimes I need to know a pronoun as their name isn't gender specific.

So far i've not dealt with anyone who has put 'they/them' pronouns on an email
 
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