Protect and Serve . . . yeah right !

TheVoice said:
How? You must surely know of America's love affair with the firearm, how do you propose that they just take those guns away? People aren't going to give up their rights without a fight (a gunfight, at that) and even if you were somehow successful in removing guns from private citizens, you've still got thousands of illegal firearms out there.

If you really can't approach these issues without comparing them to another country, try Canada instead. Geographically close to the US, fairly similar culturally (broadly speaking), has an armed police service and allows at least some level of firearms ownership by citizens.

Saying "remove guns" is about as useful as saying "remove crime" or "remove homelessness".
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There is a gun for every single American living there today. That's 315 million guns. Statistics show that around 30 thousand people die from firearms in America per year. In the UK the number is around 65. It's simple maths, remove guns and you save lives.
 
stulid said:
He had a gun or was reaching for a gun.

They shot him to defend themselves and the public.

Don't see what the issue is.
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This.

I'd shoot someone if I thought my life was in danger by some mental case...

People watch a video it looks brutal. Always does because you're not the one with some crazy guy going nuts in your face reaching for your damned gun...

Seriously people need to apply a little bit of critical thinking here.

OH LOOK AT THE POLICE SUCH BULLIES LOOK AT IT DISGUSTING. No the dude is protecting himself....

I've seen videos of police officers in america pull someone over then the guy shot the officer right in the face and killed him.... routine traffic stop. If it was my life on the line you bet i'd be shooting to kill. Point is again it's not you, it's not you risking your life where some guy could just pull a gun on you at any moment. It's mostly forum jockeys looking for their vent about how evil the police are. Yeah i'm sure bad things happen but in an incident like this there is probably more to the story.
 
Sliver said:
Statistics show that around 30 thousand people die from firearms in America per year. In the UK the number is around 65. It's simple maths, remove guns and you save lives.
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You don't seem to understand statistics at all, the amount of variables between the USA and the UK means they can't be compared at all. Not to mention that's a pretty useless statistic anyway, even ignoring the vastly greater population of the USA. Should look at murders as a whole as it doesn't really matter what weapon someone chooses a murder is a murder.
 
Sliver said:
There is a gun for every single American living there today. That's 315 million guns. Statistics show that around 30 thousand people die from firearms in America per year. In the UK the number is around 65. It's simple maths, remove guns and you save lives.
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If you're not going to take the discussion seriously then feel free to leave it to those of us who will.
 
Police make mistakes, that is true but if you start to discipline every cop who shoots someone eventually it will make them hesitate to shoot. In that scenario it eventually leads to an armed criminal shooting dead cops because they hesitate to respond immediately to any threat. Cops start dying and if they do shoot to defend they still get punished so then nobody wants to be a policeman anymore, then what happens?

It's a fine line and an extremely dangerous and difficult job especially in America, doubly so in run down majority black (not racist, just a fact) areas, I don't think there is any easy fix to the situation they have gotten themselves into, guns are pretty much everywhere and easily accessible, if you held a gun amnesty and started to make them illegal sure most civilians might return them but I can bet anyone who lives a life of crime or is suspicious of the police force for example everyone in the areas these black shootings happen won't be handing theirs back which then just leaves normal civilians and cops at a disadvantage. Police in America DO disproportionately shoot people that is a fact. But it is just a way of life, when the media stop blowing everyday events out of proportion every time a minority gets shot it will create less outrage among the communities much like what happened in Ferguson.

With the Republicans almost controlling every facet of government in the USA now (excluding Obama himself) Considering Republicans are generally pro gun ownership you won't be seeing any cure to this for a long time coming. Even when the democrats held the majority there was little Obama could do to fix the problem.
 
Sliver said:
There is a gun for every single American living there today. That's 315 million guns. Statistics show that around 30 thousand people die from firearms in America per year. In the UK the number is around 65. It's simple maths, remove guns and you save lives.
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There are countries with high gun ownership rates which don't have such high gun crime rates though. So it doesn't seem to me that gun ownership is the problem, but rather black urban culture, which accounts for the majority of those firearm related deaths.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
There are countries with high gun ownership rates which don't have such high gun crime rates though. So it doesn't seem to me that gun ownership is the problem, but rather black urban culture, which accounts for the majority of those firearm related deaths.
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Racist much ? What a disgusting opinion.
 
Sliver said:
Racist much ? What a disgusting opinion.
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:rolleyes:

What precisely do you find racist about it?

The reality is most victims and perpetrators of gun crime are black people living in urban settings. Typically those people all come from a similar cultural background. The logical conclusion is there is something specific to that culture which is the cause: a mixture of poverty, the glorification of crime and violence, rampant materialism and so forth.
 
Sliver said:
Explain. :confused:
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You quoted my post without actually addressing anything I said. You'd have them take guns away, yet you haven't suggested how that might be accomplished. You think the UK's way is better yet you're totally ignoring how different we are culturally.

If you want to address America's issues you need to do so within the context of America, not by comparing it to some tiny island out in the middle of Europe.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
It's worth noting that over 30,000 Yanks managed to die in car accidents in the same year and no-one's called for private transport to be outlawed.
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Why is that worth noting ? We are not talking about RTA's here, we're talking about gun related deaths. Two completely different things and completely unrelated. :confused:
 
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