PS3 vs 360 graphics
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Mr Latte said:
Looks like you didn't read my earlier post about how swapping disc's at inopertune moments in certain 3rd person, free roaming titles woudln't really cut it.
Disc swapping is fine during some games, but not during others.
Jeesh, i've been posting too much on this thread - just goes to show what sitting in front of a PC being bored does for a man!
Just out of interest, is the Xbox 360's Hard Drive upgradable / replacable?
I have googled it but could only see sites telling you how to mod it to play illegal copies...!!!
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Forget I asked - I found it. I must admit, I didn't realise that bit sticking out the top was a HDD, it looks quite cool. Do they take standard 2.5" SATA HDD's like PS3 or does it have to be an official Microsoft one?
I have googled it but could only see sites telling you how to mod it to play illegal copies...!!!
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Forget I asked - I found it. I must admit, I didn't realise that bit sticking out the top was a HDD, it looks quite cool. Do they take standard 2.5" SATA HDD's like PS3 or does it have to be an official Microsoft one?
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chris_87 said:
dual layer bd discs lots of space to work with.
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BD has been tested using 100GB discs, And its theoretical it could go to 200gb.
Takes less time not to swap
Nogimmix said:
Takes less time not to swap
Joebob said:
I am pretty sure there are ways to mod it and I have heard rumours of a 100gb drive, other than that theres always the x-sata device which lets you store saves/demos etc. on your computer by linking it up with your xbox.
wannabedamned said:BD has been tested using 100GB discs, And its theoretical it could go to 200gb.
Takes less time not to swap
They may get that big but the current PS3 won't be able to read them. Same as how current HD players won't be able to play the new multi-layer discs that are coming out. The laser won't be up to the job.
Swapping a disc is not the end of the world, and if you find it too much hassle then perhaps you should give up gaming and get your fat ass down the gym!
(Not aimed at anyone in particular)
The way i look at it is that specs mean squat, games will win the fight and i can't help but feel that Sony have managed to loose a lot of ground in this area. Cross platofrm games will be much of a muchness, exclusive games will matter and of the big "old" ps exclusive, games they seem to have let them go, Resi, PES, FF, to name just a few while MS seem to be aquiring more and more, Halo, Fable, Forza, etc.
Despite it's apparent dominance in spec terms, if the games aren't there except for the initial mass rush the PS3 will struggle. The N64 was better in almost every way to the PS1 but it just didn't have enough games.
The cost of developing games for the PS3 (not much more than the 360 but still more) could also be a problem, as it stands Namco's top bod reckons they need to sell a minimum of 500,000 copies of any given game to make any money out of it, now this may well scare off a fair few game devs who have games that aren't a guarenteed sucess, and they are often the best as they tend to be slightly more innovative and can be something special, whereas the constant re-hashes of the same games (on all formats) can often get a little dull(from a gamers point of view)
I think the only thin i can really say is that the PS3 is going to be the first console since the PS1 that i didn't buy at launch, as at the moment it simply doesn't look worth the money, the games are doing nothing much to get me excited at all, i'm more interested in the Halo 3 launch than i am that of the PS3, which is a shame as i loved both the Ps1 and 2.
Despite it's apparent dominance in spec terms, if the games aren't there except for the initial mass rush the PS3 will struggle. The N64 was better in almost every way to the PS1 but it just didn't have enough games.
The cost of developing games for the PS3 (not much more than the 360 but still more) could also be a problem, as it stands Namco's top bod reckons they need to sell a minimum of 500,000 copies of any given game to make any money out of it, now this may well scare off a fair few game devs who have games that aren't a guarenteed sucess, and they are often the best as they tend to be slightly more innovative and can be something special, whereas the constant re-hashes of the same games (on all formats) can often get a little dull(from a gamers point of view)
I think the only thin i can really say is that the PS3 is going to be the first console since the PS1 that i didn't buy at launch, as at the moment it simply doesn't look worth the money, the games are doing nothing much to get me excited at all, i'm more interested in the Halo 3 launch than i am that of the PS3, which is a shame as i loved both the Ps1 and 2.
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MonkeyMan said:Swapping a disc is not the end of the world, and if you find it too much hassle then perhaps you should give up gaming and get your fat ass down the gym!
(Not aimed at anyone in particular)
hahaha, I had images of some fat guy having to get out of his seat to change discs during final fantasy 7 there
My imagination is overworking today
Mr Latte said:
Still waiting for anyone to give good reasons to buy a PS3?
Well for starters ANYONE who hasn't got CAT5 running through their house. The PS3 gives you FREE wireless connectivity.
Anyone who doesn't want to spend $30 to charge their controller can do it for free on the PS3
Anyone who already has a wireless bluetooth earpiece doesn't have to shell out another $60 on a wireless earpiece
Anyone who appreciates the awesome slideshow software that is part of the OS with the PS3, will hold their nose high when compared the the 360's offering.
Anyone who doesn't want to run out of harddisk space within 5mins will appreciate the PS3
Anyone who doesn't want ANOTHER UGLY white plastic box in their precious home cinema array so that they can watch hi-def movies, and using a system that has 3 times the support.
And anyone who doesn't appreciate everytime they play a game they have the equivilant to a washing machine on spin in the backround..
You are a xbox360 fanboy to the end, so no doubt whatever positive things said about the PS3 will only go in one ear and out the other.
The only argument that can be said about the 360 is that it currently has a better catalogue, and that won't be for much longer.
Value wise, once you start dipping in for the extra's you will want down the road, the PS3 is better value.
thedoc46 said:
So basically anyone who doesn't care about games yea ?
Who cares what it looks like ? Yes the 360 is ugly but jesus so is the Ps3, they are both ugly as sin so i don't really see the problem.
Oh noes the 360 makes sound, arrgh whatever will we do, unless you are playing on mute it's barely noticable anyway so who cares.
What in the name of christ himself are you doing with your HDD ? I have Oblivion saves, GOW saves, Amped 3 saves, COD 2 saves, PDZ saves, Quake 2 and 4 saves, my xbl gamer profile, you know the usual things on a game console, and that fit's on a memory card, so why exactly am i going to run ou of space on a HDD ? Yes i could put my music on my 360 but why would i waste the time to put over 500 cd's on my games console ? When it takes about 15 seconds to put it in the infinately superior cd player i have linked to my amp ? Jesus christ no wonder people are turning into fat slobs when they can no longer be arsed to get up to put on a bloody cd.
Well yes we all know that they key to a consoles sucess is the slideshow feature on the OS, yes that really makes a console worth it.
So basically on all the things that don't matter at all, people will want a Ps3 for, while the things that do matter, namely games are where a Ps3 is struggling, as for this magical catalogue that is going to appear out of thin air to overtake the 360, any evidence of this completely random but apparently massive catalogue as all i see are a load of launch games which on the whole sequels to EA whatever 2006, oohhhh i'm quivering just at the thought of it.
Yes i could have a blu-ray player, but considering the dedicated ones are not incredible yet and cost double the price of the PS3, and with Sonys record from the Ps2 with it's marvelous DVD playback ability, hell a cheap crappy one was better, i'm not filled with confidence, and there is no guarentee that it will win the format war, as lets face it most people will buy what's cheapest, unless blu-ray offered dramatic, obvious quality advantages (which it doesn't for the forseable future) then most people will see the price tag and buy hd-dvd, much like people saw VHS cheaper and bought that, despite betamax being a better format.
I see plenty of potential reasons to buy a PS3 in the future, but at launch it will be the first Sony or MS console that i shan't be buying, and that speaks volumes to me.
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The xbox 360 IS loud. Too loud. Unless you have your tv loud, it can always be heard. So its not just if you have it muted.
I also must say I actually think both the 360 and PS3 are quite stylish looking Would go quite nicely in a modern minimalistic home.
Other than that, Raikiri pretty much nailed it.
I also must say I actually think both the 360 and PS3 are quite stylish looking
Would go quite nicely in a modern minimalistic home.Other than that, Raikiri pretty much nailed it.
I'm going to try and answer this in as non-biased way as possible. You have to take into consideration that the PS3 is an all-in-one package, and gives the owner everything out of the box (60GB version we're talking about, as currently that's the only one coming to UK I believe). The Xbox has the advantage of being a hell of a lot cheaper if you want to have just a games console, not a complete media centre or online gaming hub. Unless you're using EVERY feature of the 360 (Wi-Fi, HD Movies, HDD, Live Gold), then the PS3 is the more expensive option.
Wireless gaming is great, and the 360 wi-fi connection is very expensive, but that would drive the cost up of the 360, and probably lose them some sales. Would be nice to have wireless out the box, but I prefer cabled if I were to have the choice, more reliable.thedoc46 said:
The 360 does have the advantage of removable batteries though, but as said one another post, if the batteries die on a PS3 pad, you don't have a pad.thedoc46 said:
Doubt that many people do have wireless bluetooth headsets, and there's always the corded headset you get with the 360 anyway.thedoc46 said:
I know I don't give a monkeys about the silly slieshow software, when I want to view pictures, I want to see them in a nice, fullscreen picture, not some silly gimmick of photos falling on a table.thedoc46 said:
As said, the PS3 HDD space will probably get filled even quicker than the 360 due to all this caching games can optionally do.thedoc46 said:
Looks don't bother me too much,thedoc46 said:
Though loud, I like to play my games with a good amount of volume. It would be nice for the 360 to be quieter, but it wouldn't put me personally off buying one again.thedoc46 said:
Now now, Mr Latte generally has some very good and constructive points about the PS3. I agree with him that the PS3 really doesn't currently have any title bar one that would make me want to buy it, in the next 18 months at least, and that's MGS4.thedoc46 said:
It does have a better catalogue, and also has a fantastic list of games that are coming due well after the PS3's launch that I would have bought a 360 if I had not already done so.thedoc46 said:
As I've said above, value will depend from person to person. The PS3 is only best value if you use every feature it has to offer.thedoc46 said:
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Yes the PS3 has FREE wireless internet connectivity but that does'nt mean the service that comes with it is anygood, and quite frankly atm it is'nt, someone can offer me a free smack in the face, does'nt mean I'll accept it
, and also your presuming that everyone has wireless routers in their house, don't, and another little thing, I've seen a few posts on here from PS3 owners trying to justify the high price of the console down to the fact that they believe that the PS3 is of a very high build quility, and that you get what you pay for, well that's is exactly why Microsoft charge a small fee for xbox live, because you get what you pay for, a very very high quality online gaming experiance.
do it for free, how do you work that out, you are paying extra for that as well, all be it that the cost of these extra features are already encorperated into the cost of the console which is why it it so expensive compared to a standerd 360.
see my above post and also how many people realistly have a bluetooth headset, perhaps they are more popular over the pond but I really don't see that many people using them over here.
Is there any such thing as AWESOME slideshow software, it's certainly don't get me that excited, not even a semi.
run out of harddrive space in 5mins , what on earth you putting on there, I've had my 360 for months now and I haven't even filled 20% yet and even that 20% is just old demos that I don't play anymore and will get deleted when I can be bothered.
As i've said before this all depends on which format wins the war really, the way so many Sony Fanboys keep going on about Blu-Ray and it being a big plus point of owning the PS3 I just hope for thier sake Blu-Ray wins otherwise theres going to be a lot of people crying.
Honeslty I think your talking to the wrong people in regards to this, this a computer enthusists forum and many people on here have high spec pcs that sound a lot louder than that of the 360, so don't be suprised when people say that they are not botherd about the sound of thier 360's, they are not "fanboys to the end" as you so put it, so just don't care.
"The only argument" , The single most important argument don't you mean, the fact that the 360 has the best selection of qaulity game out compared to any of the other next gen consoles at the moment.
That's if you even NEED the extras, and frankly I'd much rather have the freedom of chioce as to weather I actually want them or not so I'm not forced into paying silly money for things that i don't even use.
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Yes the PS3 has FREE wireless internet connectivity but that does'nt mean the service that comes with it is anygood, and quite frankly atm it is'nt, someone can offer me a free smack in the face, does'nt mean I'll accept it
, and also your presuming that everyone has wireless routers in their house, don't, and another little thing, I've seen a few posts on here from PS3 owners trying to justify the high price of the console down to the fact that they believe that the PS3 is of a very high build quility, and that you get what you pay for, well that's is exactly why Microsoft charge a small fee for xbox live, because you get what you pay for, a very very high quality online gaming experiance.do it for free, how do you work that out, you are paying extra for that as well, all be it that the cost of these extra features are already encorperated into the cost of the console which is why it it so expensive compared to a standerd 360.
see my above post and also how many people realistly have a bluetooth headset, perhaps they are more popular over the pond but I really don't see that many people using them over here.
Is there any such thing as AWESOME slideshow software, it's certainly don't get me that excited, not even a semi.
run out of harddrive space in 5mins
, what on earth you putting on there, I've had my 360 for months now and I haven't even filled 20% yet and even that 20% is just old demos that I don't play anymore and will get deleted when I can be bothered.As i've said before this all depends on which format wins the war really, the way so many Sony Fanboys keep going on about Blu-Ray and it being a big plus point of owning the PS3 I just hope for thier sake Blu-Ray wins otherwise theres going to be a lot of people crying.
Honeslty I think your talking to the wrong people in regards to this, this a computer enthusists forum and many people on here have high spec pcs that sound a lot louder than that of the 360, so don't be suprised when people say that they are not botherd about the sound of thier 360's, they are not "fanboys to the end" as you so put it, so just don't care.
"The only argument"
, The single most important argument don't you mean, the fact that the 360 has the best selection of qaulity game out compared to any of the other next gen consoles at the moment.That's if you even NEED the extras, and frankly I'd much rather have the freedom of chioce as to weather I actually want them or not so I'm not forced into paying silly money for things that i don't even use.
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