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PS4 dev kits use AMD A10 derivative

bru said:
OK so going on that analogy it could be said that the currant AMD7850 sucks and there was better graphics out three years ago :D

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I think you misunderstood me,

I wasn't saying that the A10 sucks because there was better graphics out years ago.

It was 2 separate statements.
The A10 sucks and also there were better graphics out years before it.

When xbox 360 came out in 2005 it was up there with top end gaming pc from that year.

IMO they should really be using something like i5 and 7850 especially since there is talk of the running this next gen up until 2024.
 
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People are expecting way too much from the console market as usual. No doubt PC gamers, expecting consoles to match PCs at some point or another :D

They wont. And yet I still love consoles, Why? Because games are good regardless of resolution

I imagine we're going to see 720p or less. Maybe this time round we'll get some free AA without performance reductions, but we're not going to see solid 60fps acrosss all released games. Devs will do what they always do, sacrifice things inorder to give a better experience game wise, rather than polishing it.



You see console gamers dont weep at low res, dont weep at a lack of 60fps(aslong as we have consistent framerates)

So yes, A10 does suck as the basis to a PC gaming rig.

But as a console, With unified hardware for devs to aim at.

Do you think it will be incapable of 720p, some AA and consistant 30fps? I doubt it.

I imagine we will see certain games at 1080p, many more than this gen, but i also think many devs will sacrifice it for improvements elsewhere
 
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I really can't believe that people think the A10 sucks, I cant see any other integrated gpu beating it any time soon.
 
I guess it's more because of the jump isn't as great as it was previous generation, yet this generation has lasted a longer period of time.

The A10 certainly doesn't suck.

Geffen said:
While most people here seem disappointed the A10 sounds like a great upgrade offering 5X more CPU power and 5-10X Graphics performance. While it would be good to go to fast kit out there the cost and heat they produce would be impractical. I'm also quite impressed if they go ahead with 16gb Ram and a 256gb SSD which will offer massive improvements on the current specs.
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It's not that far ahead CPU/GPU wise.
CPU wise, I wouldn't want to speculate, although I'd peg it at ~3 times.
GPU wise? I recall the 4670 being mentioned as 3 times more raw power, the A10's 7660D isn't light years better, I'd say about ~5 times faster GPU.

I could be wrong, but if it was anywhere near 10 times I'd be happy, but it isn't.
 
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You have to bear in mind that this is a GPU that costs £95 and don't forget that includes a fairly good CPU as well, the equivalent Intel CPU (i3 2100/3220) is £95 with a lesser gpu
 
bru said:
You have to bear in mind that this is a GPU that costs £95 and don't forget that includes a fairly good CPU as well, the equivalent Intel CPU (i3 2100/3220) is £95 with a lesser gpu
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The CPU side is perfect for the console, don't get me wrong, it's the GPU side that isn't a massive step up for the console.
 
If it is a derivative then I wouldn't be surprised at it being something similar to the A10. When it says derivative though, I'm pretty sure they'll pair a more powerful chipset in there. The current A10 GPU has speed increases based on the RAM used then they'll choose some faster memory to use in conjunction to get the most out of it.

I also wouldn't be surprised of a dual/quad GPU configuration like apple's A5X/A6X do.
 
I don't think Sony will alter the chip that much. They will want to keep it as close to stock as it comes to both keep the cost down and making porting games easier, both things the PS3 has struggled with.

RAM wise, don't consoles use different RAM to the system RAM that PCs use? I think the 360 uses GDDR3 RAM.
 
I imagine there will be a discrete GPU added into the hardware and it will use both. I really cant see just the A10 doing 60fps 1080 3D.
 
Martini1991 said:
Even if they threw a conventional GPU/CPU set up, I'd never expect it to be 7850 level, so I doubt that's true, if it were, I'm pretty sure AMD would be suiting Trinity with it now.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if its raw power was any better than current A10 stuff, because it wouldn't make much sense.
Can't help but feel we're going to have another 7 years of poor console ports.
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The other rumour was that there were two GPUs. So a custom A10, with the GPU section of an HD7750, together with another HD7750 on the motherboard,would probably be closer to HD7850 level too.
 
Seeing as AMD is not in the best finanancial condition, that could give both console makes some bargaining power as to what they can get for their money.


And ... I was thinking.... if they're going to use 2 gpu's, surely it makes more sense as an optional upgrade X years down the line? Keep cost low at launch, and through an addin module a connect a discrete gpu which keeps the console up to date graphically for another 5/6 years rather than produce an entirely new console. That way you maximise what performance you can buy for your cash for the lifetime off the product. It may also not be crossfire, if the discrete gpu is of a large enough performance leap, perhaps apu stream processors could get shifted to compute type chores instead of graphical output.

...My god, what poison have they been putting in my cereal, somebody, please help me, anybody!......
 
To be honest, I still think it is too early to start this type of speculation. None of us really know what the consoles specifications will be yet. I would guess that it would be a chip using the Trinity architechture and perhaps utilising hybrid crossfire, but all re-named and called fancy things like when the called their custom 7800GT a 'RSX Reality Synthesiser'.

I think that the 1080P @60FPS claim could be valid, and if the next generation of consoles does not offer that, and some form of anti-aliasing, it would be a bad increase in performance. Look at the difference between the PS2 and PS3.
 
imginy said:
IMO they should really be using something like i5 and 7850 especially since there is talk of the running this next gen up until 2024.
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For a £300 console, come on... Wouldn't be surprised of a A10 with a crossfire 7750 solution and shared memory (console developers love shared memory). That sounds around the ballpark of the budget.
 
olivier renault said:
For a £300 console, come on... Wouldn't be surprised of a A10 with a crossfire 7750 solution and shared memory (console developers love shared memory). That sounds around the ballpark of the budget.
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When the xbox 360 came out in 2005 it had a something like a 3.2ghz 3 core 6 thread processor.

8 years later and the best they can do is an A10 seems poor effort.
 
In PS3 the Cell processor does a share of the graphics so I wouldn't put it past Sony to lob a Cell in there anyway for the physics and to assist the GPU again.

The benefit of that would be that the developers who are useless or lazy won't have much trouble with a simple (A10) PC architecture, yet the super duper developers like Naughty Dog can tap the Cell for advanced capability.
 
mmj_uk said:
In PS3 the Cell processor does a share of the graphics so I wouldn't put it past Sony to lob a Cell in there anyway for the physics and to assist the GPU again.

The benefit of that would be that the developers who are useless or lazy won't have much trouble with a simple (A10) PC architecture, yet the super duper developers like Naughty Dog can tap the Cell for advanced capability.
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Don't think Sony wants to go back to Cell in a hurry. However, having a decent IGP means they can use it to offload some CPU work. The CPU is perfectly fine for a console. And there will be dedicated GPU as well (I'll even bet my left nut).

Which GPU, well I'd say something along the lines of a 7750, or maybe a cut down 7850. I don't think Sony knows exactly either. Their current devkits are not representative of the actual PS4 hardware. I would also suspect 8GB RAM, some of it shared with the GPU. And a good portion of it reserved for the OS.

X720 would probably follow along those lines as well.

All in all, people should stop speculating (me included) on what is pretty much an unknown. So I'll stop there!
 
The A10 GPU will be used to power the GUI,watching movies etc, which means very low power requirements whilst doing anything non-gaming related.

There will be a dedicated,discrete GPU ready to kick when needed for the games.
 
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