Public Sector pay rise 2023

FoxEye said:
Well put it this way, the older contractors could work 3-4 months and then spend the rest of the year on a beach, somewhere. They were absolutely earning more in that time than a FTE in a year.

Some of this is due to the insane way finances are put into "pots". They might not have money for another FTE but the contractor salaries were taken from a different "pot", so it wasn't an issue to be spending a lot more on contractors than a FTE would cost for the year.

I could try my hand at it, but I happen to like working for the public sector. The pay is low compared to private, and the benefits are grossly exaggerated, these days. We get what every employee must legally have, sick pay and holiday pay, and that's it. There really is no other benefit. No final salary pensions or anything like that.
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That’s exactly what happens in my team. We can’t afford more staff cause there’s no money for our department but we can use contractors on double our take home because it doesn’t get directly taken from our budget.
 
explicit4u said:
That’s exactly what happens in my team. We can’t afford more staff cause there’s no money for our department but we can use contractors on double our take home because it doesn’t get directly taken from our budget.
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Yup, and that's what happens when people demand budget cuts and "efficiency savings". It's a con. There's nothing left to cut, except services.
 
Zefan said:
Are you taking the benefits available to you including housing and pension in to account? You may not take advantage of some of the benefits, but it doesn't mean they aren't part of your package.
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I wasn't, i was just looking at salary. Forces offer medical and dental, non-contributory pension, gym etc. But don't decent companies offer similar these days? (aside from the non-contributory pension).
 
Your descriptions of pots sounds exactly right, however, isn't this mismanagement and an example of terrible financial decisions? Aka... Inefficiency? What's more likely, that establishment management are a bit incompetent and lazy and throw money at a problem bluntly, or that the market rate for these people really actually is £1k per day naturally? The private sector guys charge this rate because public sector pay it, this would soon change if they got resistance. I get that it's a ouroboros problem, but this is my whole point, there's an efficiency problem that needs fixing.

@ivrytwr3 , not really. Some might, but most offer it at certain levels and most of the time only at reduced rates, not free most of the time from my experience. There's also the housing benefit, which is truly massive.
 
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Zefan said:
Your descriptions of pots sounds exactly right, however, isn't this mismanagement and an example of terrible financial decisions? Aka... Inefficiency? What's more likely, that establishment management are a bit incompetent and lazy and throw money at a problem bluntly, or that the market rate for these people really actually is £1k per day naturally? The private sector guys charge this rate because public sector pay it, this would soon change if they got resistance. I get that it's a ouroboros problem, but this is my whole point, there's an efficiency problem that needs fixing.

@ivrytwr3 , not really. Some might, but most offer it at certain levels and most of the time only at reduced rates, not free most of the time from my experience. There's also the housing benefit, which is truly massive.
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It's clearly a problem, but it's a problem derived from somebody trying to suppress the cost of wages in order to make savings...

Just that it's massively backfired on many occasions, whilst also dismantling staff morale.

I guess it's a cautionary tale of "be careful what you wish for." When budgets are slashed but the work still needs to be done, then stuff like this happens.
 
ivrytwr3 said:
I wasn't, i was just looking at salary. Forces offer medical and dental, non-contributory pension, gym etc. But don't decent companies offer similar these days? (aside from the non-contributory pension).
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The pension the RAF offers is quite impressive. I've not long left the forces but that one element is worth a significant chunk of money.

You're right about companies offering similar things though. My upcoming job and my missus job both provide private health care for cheap.

The crappiest thing they implemented in my time was the 2yr pay freeze on promotion. In order to get promoted you need to have appraisals saying you work as the next rank up, then you get promoted to the next rank and they say "well you're not quite there yet so we freeze your pay a while."
 
Rotty said:
I do a lot of work for public bodies and if you compare the levels of efficiency to the private sector it is utterly laughable
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I don't think it's fair to post that without some elaboration.

Plenty of people observe inefficiencies and laziness in the private sector, too. The characterisation of public sector lazy/inefficient, private sector efficient/good value is oft-repeated but probably not very fair.
 
Scougar said:
Oh please. Doesn't even keep up with inflation.
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Everyone getting wage rises to "keep up with inflation" is the reason for inflation though. It's literally devaluing everyone's savings and pensions, and causing the BoE to increase interest rates.
 
FoxEye said:
I don't think it's fair to post that without some elaboration.
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Wish I could be more specific but anyone that works with public bodies (IT for me) would know what a joke the infrastructure is


One none specific example which sums things up (and is by no means an isolated incident) an important server is down, panic panic pancs, get here now etc
I pulled all stops out, 4pm , oh we will have to go now as my shift has finished, leave it until tomorrow
 
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Rotty said:
I do a lot of work for public bodies and if you compare the levels of efficiency to the private sector it is utterly laughable
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Government in the UK actively try to make public sectors inefficient so they can then claim they are then that way, and privatise them. Quite literally removing resources over years, so that they BECOME inefficient and completely unable to function correctly.

As someone who clearly works in that sector, I would think you would know this is a strategy that is favoured by Conservs....
 
Roar87 said:
Everyone getting wage rises to "keep up with inflation" is the reason for inflation though. It's literally devaluing everyone's savings and pensions, and causing the BoE to increase interest rates.
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Well done, you clearly just showed you don't understand how money printers work.
 
Scougar said:
Government in the UK actively try to make public sectors inefficient so they can then claim they are then that way, and privatise them. Quite literally removing resources over years, so that they BECOME inefficient and completely unable to function correctly.

As someone who clearly works in that sector, I would think you would know this is a strategy that is favoured by Conservs....
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Nope

There are management strategies that defy belief, mainly a lack of any sort of overall cohesive plan/structure

There's also the issue that many (obv not all) of the staff wouldn't know a proper days work if it hit them in the face

You wouldn't believe the amount of public body IT workers that thinks that a 9 to 5 shift is exactly that and lunch break times are set in stone
 
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