Punk Rock

Really? Then why do I consistently hear people claiming other things. Why does Lydon insist that the Sex Pistols were never part of the 'Punk' movement? Why are people suggesting them as a punk band in this thread?
 
Column Matrix said:
Really? Then why do I consistently hear people claiming other things. Why does Lydon insist that the Sex Pistols were never part of the 'Punk' movement? Why are people suggesting them as a punk band in this thread?
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Because you don't get to pick your own genre, you get put where people put you, and people put them in the punk movement.

If Girls Aloud proclaimed they never were and never will be a pop band, it wouldn't make any difference.
 
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Have you heard the Sex Pistols? They do NOT sound like any other punk band.
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No they don't but Mohinder gave an answer I never thought of before : you don't get to pick your own genre.
The Pistols always thought of themselves as a rock n roll band, I thought of them as a heavy Hawkwind.
 
Column Matrix : Thats a great post above and I agree with everything you have said.
I was a massive fan when they first came out and looked forward to everything they did but always knew McLaren was talking BS.
He said they couldn't play but I saw them live twice and they were as tight as a gnats chuff with Matlock.
The only thing McLaren did was to get that idiot Vicious into the band and the rest was downhill.
 
Column Matrix said:
Really? Then why do I consistently hear people claiming other things. Why does Lydon insist that the Sex Pistols were never part of the 'Punk' movement? Why are people suggesting them as a punk band in this thread?
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Because despite the facts, they are still regarded as one of the first punk bands. The entire punk image comes directly from them.

This thread was created for people to say what they think punk is. Many people see them as being the epitome of the punk movement back then.

It's to be expected that Lydon would say they weren't part of the punk movement. But regardless of what he says, as has been mentioned, you don't get to pick what genre you're put in.

I would say they are a punk band. I can name at least three bands that have a heavy influence from them off the top of my head.
 
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I would say they are a punk band. I can name at least three bands that have a heavy influence from them off the top of my head.
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Just 3?

Oasis, Guns n Roses, Nirvana, Joy Division, Madness, Tupac, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, Libertines... The list literally does not stop.

Have you heard Steve Jones' radio show in LA? It isn't a coincidence how he manages to get the biggest stars from the entertainment industry to come on as guests. Infact if you listen to it half the time his guest usually ends up reversing roles and starts asking him questions about the Sex Pistols
 
dmpoole said:
Column Matrix : Thats a great post above and I agree with everything you have said.
I was a massive fan when they first came out and looked forward to everything they did but always knew McLaren was talking BS.
He said they couldn't play but I saw them live twice and they were as tight as a gnats chuff with Matlock.
The only thing McLaren did was to get that idiot Vicious into the band and the rest was downhill.
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The sad thing is is that the other three were still good even with Vicious in the band. I feel sorry for them when I watch the last few gigs and they have to somehow overcome not having a bass player and basically no soundchecks. Longhorns is still suprisingly good even though it is actually just Drums, Guitar and Vocals (Sid's Bass is completely unplugged). You can feel the frustration in their voices in their comments inbetween songs.
 
Column Matrix said:
Just 3?

Oasis, Guns n Roses, Nirvana, Joy Division, Madness, Tupac, The Smiths, The Stone Roses, Libertines... The list literally does not stop.

Have you heard Steve Jones' radio show in LA? It isn't a coincidence how he manages to get the biggest stars from the entertainment industry to come on as guests. Infact if you listen to it half the time his guest usually ends up reversing roles and starts asking him questions about the Sex Pistols
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I first thought Rancid, The Unseen and Anti-Flag.
 
Thank you for a very interesting read Column Matrix.

Did you notice that, ironically, the person that uploaded that clip to YouTube describes the Pistols as "the definitive punk band"?
 
Sinopa said:
Thank you for a very interesting read Column Matrix.

Did you notice that, ironically, the person that uploaded that clip to YouTube describes the Pistols as "the definitive punk band"?
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Yes I did but I always say this to people who have to insist that the Sex Pistols were Punk: If the Sex Pistols are punk then punk is JUST the Sex Pistols. They have almost nothing in common with other 'punk' bands. Yes they may have influenced lots of Punk bands but that doesn't mean they are too. The Sex Pistols managed to influence rap artists and bands like Massive Attack, it doesn't mean they are the same genre as them though?

Ironically the Pistols themselves were influenced by the artists Punk bands seem to hate so much. Lydon was heavily into Reggae, Dub and Psychedelic music, Jones was into various rock bands such as Boston, Journey, Roxy Music, The Who, Rubettes, and Matlock was massively into the Beatles and Abba...
 
Punk for me is The Clash, The Ramones, UK Subs, Sham 69

Post-punk such as Joy Division

American Hardcore such as Black Flag, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys

More modern bands such as the Refused and perhaps early Offspring/Green Day before they went with a more commerical/softened sound

and of course more lately Gogol Bordello
 
I class Punk and Punk-Rock being different. Always have.

Punk is bands such as The Clash, The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Misfits etc. The older stuff that started it all.

Punk-Rock is bands such as Rancid, Pennywise, Operation Ivy, Brain Failure, Lars Frederiksen and the ********. The newer generation, if you will!
 
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Carzy said:
Drive Like Jehu - AWESOME
Husker Du - AWESOME
Mission of Burma - AWESOME
The Bronx - AWESOME
[edit* spitfiredown] - AWESOME
Fugazi - AWESOME
Jets VS Sharks - AWESOME X10
Minor Threat - AWESOME X10
EDIT * F Minus
Rites of Spring - AWESOME X10
Rosa
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here is a list of the stuff i class as punk and listen to regularly

hardcore - a brilliant genre of music - populated by mainly arrogant fans [speaking form first hand experience]

tripleH
sick of it all
pilger
madball
Ruiner
Earthquake
integrity


metalcore - punk values and lyric style with heavy metal inspired instrumental
stand
converge
mend this tear
kafka [from italy]

emo - [proper emo not chemical romance rubbish]
Rights of spring - end of story!

crossover - thrash metal and hardcore/punk rock mixed up
dri
S.O.D

powerviolence - faster than a fat girl wearing heelys on a hill
voorhees
Spazz
charles bronson
scholastic deth


skate punk - punk rock performed by and revolving around skateboarding
faction
los olvidados
jfa

straight up punk...

gray matter
bad brains
black flag
nomenasno
early joydivision
clash
jam
deadkennedys
crucifix

im not mentioning straight edge because it is bs

and of course...

No Voice Of Mine
 
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Circle Takes the Square are superb. I'd like to mention Pg. 99 too.

Jets vs Sharks don't exist anymore, but a couple of them are in Attack! Vipers! and they are seriously superb.
 
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