PUSHPULL Routine

Original post was questioning if anyone else was on a LPP routine, and I said I would take advice on board, most of the exercises named I already do but within my own split as they work for me?

The snatch grip stuff I questioned and yet to really have an answer on.
Competition prep thread? The 3 weeks out flexible dieting video? Casually a progression video.
Pic in a thread body building pics thread where everyone else posts pics of themselves, there was no kind of link to youtube within there? Thats not a promotion, thats getting into the threads?

Like I told Grudas': Not trying to promote YT channel with a post like this, it was literally a question of people being on LPP routines, and later questions could have been:
"How are you finding the progress of it"
"Do your DOMS get better quicker or worse with all the volume"
"Better for targeting individual muscles"

No need to apologise though, wasn't that brutal :D


mrthingyx said:
Apologies for being brutally cynical, but popping up with a thread about your competition prep, sticking a pic in the BodyBuilding pics thread, and then ignoring good suggestions for your back work does not do much to provide an alternative answer to Grudas' question. ;)
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dannysteel said:
http://muscleandbrawn.com/comparing-sumo-and-conventional-deadlifts/ ??
It adds quads but says moves focus point to glutes/hams and I personally feel it much more on hams :D
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Dont just believe 1 article.

http://www.muscleandfitness.com/workouts/workout-tips/tips-stronger-deadlift

case in point this one says the opposite...

A convential style deadlift done properly should be felt more in the hamstrings then a sumo style deadlift. Others more knowledgable then me can come along and confirm this.
 
dannysteel said:
http://muscleandbrawn.com/comparing-sumo-and-conventional-deadlifts/ ??
It adds quads but says moves focus point to glutes/hams and I personally feel it much more on hams :D
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That is wrong.

Even just thinking about the movement logically, the load is shifted medially to the adductors.

What you (and the author of that article) are experiencing are the effects of an inability to control your lumbar position with your core. This leads to lumbar rounding, which transfers the load to the muscles responsible for opposing this movement. This is exactly what happens in your videos. You also have weak legs/hips, leading to your hips shooting up first which further transfers load to your back.
dannysteel said:
Original post was questioning if anyone else was on a LPP routine, and I said I would take advice on board, most of the exercises named I already do but within my own split as they work for me?

The snatch grip stuff I questioned and yet to really have an answer on.
Competition prep thread? The 3 weeks out flexible dieting video? Casually a progression video.
Pic in a thread body building pics thread where everyone else posts pics of themselves, there was no kind of link to youtube within there? Thats not a promotion, thats getting into the threads?

Like I told Grudas': Not trying to promote YT channel with a post like this, it was literally a question of people being on LPP routines, and later questions could have been:
"How are you finding the progress of it"
"Do your DOMS get better quicker or worse with all the volume"
"Better for targeting individual muscles"

No need to apologise though, wasn't that brutal :D
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Snatch grip deadlifts, if performed correctly, put massive stress on your scapula adductors, lats, and some bits of your shoulder external rotators.

I think you need to consider that people were discussing the aspects of your posts that they found interesting. You also might have underestimated the knowledge and experience of those who read this forum.
 
Wouldn't you say deadlifts/sumos main muscle classed as working are the glutes, it's more just a shift of dynamic stabilizers and stabilizers that change...

Presume you're quoting from the video of the sumo deads? I actually know what the issues on those videos were... I was getting lumbar rounding because:
- I was very new to the movement at that stage
- The weight was to much for me to handle at the end of my deadlift session so core was already battered from that point
- Being new to the movement, I didn't fully understand the knee position/drive at that stage

"You also might have underestimated the knowledge and experience of those who read this forum" ?? I haven't claimed anyone wrong, or tried to shoot anyone down so I can't see how I am doing that?

icecold said:
That is wrong.

Even just thinking about the movement logically, the load is shifted medially to the adductors.

What you (and the author of that article) are experiencing are the effects of an inability to control your lumbar position with your core. This leads to lumbar rounding, which transfers the load to the muscles responsible for opposing this movement. This is exactly what happens in your videos. You also have weak legs/hips, leading to your hips shooting up first which further transfers load to your back.

Snatch grip deadlifts, if performed correctly, put massive stress on your scapula adductors, lats, and some bits of your shoulder external rotators.

I think you need to consider that people were discussing the aspects of your posts that they found interesting. You also might have underestimated the knowledge and experience of those who read this forum.
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I dunno about the guy in general but that video showed very poor technique. He's overloaded the bar (in an attempt to show off?) which hinders his technique during a video talking about correct technique.

In the discussion about what hits your hammies more I'd say based on personal experience it's conventional (I sumo as much as I conventional)
 
Yeah, the video was legit for this:
He wrote an article which Syla5' posted, and in said article, he said, "Used to work quads" and in the video of the guy wrote the article, he said works inner hams.

And that's cool man, for me, always personally feel it more in my inner hamstings after sumo deads.


reiyushin said:
I dunno about the guy in general but that video showed very poor technique. He's overloaded the bar (in an attempt to show off?) which hinders his technique during a video talking about correct technique.

In the discussion about what hits your hammies more I'd say based on personal experience it's conventional (I sumo as much as I conventional)
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He's not the only one, my training partner won't sumo because he says he feels it too much in his hamstrings. I put it down to him being as flexible as a rock :p

I was doing push/pull on one day and legs etc on the other so upper/lower split. Found it worked well enough for me.
 
dannysteel said:
Just to address, this was from the same guy that quoted it was stronger for quads :)
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Not sure if you are meaning me, or the guy in the actual article.

Sumo does work your quads more then your hamstrings, its part of the basic principles of the movement. Bottom line of it is that your reason to use Sumo to work your hamstrings more is misguided and your actually moving the emphasis away from the muscle you want to target by lifting sumo.

dannysteel said:
That was just found from that Syla5's article posted haha
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which i found from a random google sumo vs conventional deadlift. It was also a chuff article, however the point was just to show how easy it is for articles to be contradictory about the same thing.

dannysteel said:
"You also might have underestimated the knowledge and experience of those who read this forum" ?? I haven't claimed anyone wrong, or tried to shoot anyone down so I can't see how I am doing that?
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I dont think that was quite what Icecold was getting at. He was merely just highlighting the fact that you have fortunatley lucked in to a forum with quite a font of knowledge that is just your usual BS Bropedia level of knowledge.

Reap the benefits from the knowledge here :)
 
dannysteel said:
Wouldn't you say deadlifts/sumos main muscle classed as working are the glutes, it's more just a shift of dynamic stabilizers and stabilizers that change...
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I would never break it down to just glutes purely because they go through the greatest range of motion. Massive "work" is done in static contraction in the torso, and hamstrings and quads are hardly only dynamic stabilisers here.

Presume you're quoting from the video of the sumo deads? I actually know what the issues on those videos were... I was getting lumbar rounding because:
- I was very new to the movement at that stage
- The weight was to much for me to handle at the end of my deadlift session so core was already battered from that point
- Being new to the movement, I didn't fully understand the knee position/drive at that stage
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Your technical faults were the same across both videos.

Yes, the weight was far too heavy for both movements, but that doesn't make it ok. The fact that you were allowing reps like that means your form will probably vary a lot in every session. In all reps, form shouldn't really be varying by more than about 5%.
"You also might have underestimated the knowledge and experience of those who read this forum" ?? I haven't claimed anyone wrong, or tried to shoot anyone down so I can't see how I am doing that?
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I only said that you might have, if you haven't then fair enough.
dannysteel said:
Yeah, the video was legit for this:
He wrote an article which Syla5' posted, and in said article, he said, "Used to work quads" and in the video of the guy wrote the article, he said works inner hams.
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Ah, I thought it was the guy from your article. Regardless, it was bad! :D
 
Yeah, I ironically felt onto his video.

haha, I am anything but bro too ^^,


Syla5 said:
Not sure if you are meaning me, or the guy in the actual article.

Sumo does work your quads more then your hamstrings, its part of the basic principles of the movement. Bottom line of it is that your reason to use Sumo to work your hamstrings more is misguided and your actually moving the emphasis away from the muscle you want to target by lifting sumo.


which i found from a random google sumo vs conventional deadlift. It was also a chuff article, however the point was just to show how easy it is for articles to be contradictory about the same thing.



I dont think that was quite what Icecold was getting at. He was merely just highlighting the fact that you have fortunatley lucked in to a forum with quite a font of knowledge that is just your usual BS Bropedia level of knowledge.

Reap the benefits from the knowledge here :)
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Not just breaking down but classed more as a muscle that is going to take a heavy part of the load regardless of the style?

Not sure what you mean across both videos man?

Yeah, I didn't actually watch the video, jumped straight to section of "muscles worked".

And if I did, I didn't mean to but am sure I haven't as I know fitness is forever expending and you can learn from a lot of different people.
:D

icecold said:
I would never break it down to just glutes purely because they go through the greatest range of motion. Massive "work" is done in static contraction in the torso, and hamstrings and quads are hardly only dynamic stabilisers here.


Your technical faults were the same across both videos.

Yes, the weight was far too heavy for both movements, but that doesn't make it ok. The fact that you were allowing reps like that means your form will probably vary a lot in every session. In all reps, form shouldn't really be varying by more than about 5%.

I only said that you might have, if you haven't then fair enough.

Ah, I thought it was the guy from your article. Regardless, it was bad! :D
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