Q8300

[paradisiac]

ok, .5 wont be much of a loss will it?

 

[cmndr_andi]

Well you have 9.33% less clockspeed that you should. Therefore you are basically running a Q8200 not a Q8300.

If you give me a minute I will find you the option to enable the 1/2 multipliers.

 

[paradisiac]

CPU Clock Ratio
This item allows you to select the CPU Ratio.
Min= 6 Max= 50, Key in a DEC number.
The Choices: 6X (default).

from the online manual, which according to biostars website does not support my cpu, even though its running it.

 

[paradisiac]

the site also says it doesnt support ddr 1066, which it clearly does, im confused now.

 

[cmndr_andi]

Ah, looks like your motherboard doesn't support 1/2 multipliers - so it just defaults it to the next lowest integer. Though it is probably worth trying to increase it manually to see if you can get it to work.

I guess that means you are stuck with a Q8200 until you overclock.

 

[paradisiac]

i have at home a gigabyte G31M-ES2L still in the box which i was gunna use for my internet build, would it be worth swapping the boards, bearing in mind its only a micro-atx with 2 ram slots.

 

[cmndr_andi]

The Gigabye G31M-ES2L does indeed support the Q8300 - so if you used that it would work at its correct speed.

However, as you say -it only has two RAM slots so you could only use 2GB of your current RAM. Also, overclocking your CPU is not gonna happen on a G31 board.

What CPU/RAM were you planning to use in your "internet build"?

 

[paradisiac]

The Gigabye G31M-ES2L does indeed support the Q8300 - so if you used that it would work at its correct speed.

However, as you say -it only has two RAM slots so you could only use 2GB of your current RAM. Also, overclocking your CPU is not gonna happen on a G31 board.

What CPU/RAM were you planning to use in your "internet build"?

i have got an E5200, and 2x2GB kingston DDR800 to go into it, just havent got round to doing it yet.

 

[cmndr_andi]

Ah, I see. Do you need the Internet build to fit in a small microATX case?

If not, I suggest swapping the motherboards and putting the Q8300 in the Gigabyte board and use the 2x2GB RAM in it. Then you will have a working PC running at the correct CPU clockspeed.

Then for the internet build, put the E5200 in the Biostar + the 4x1GB RAM.

How does that sound?

Alternatively, buy a cheap CPU cooler and overclock the Q8300 as far as you can on the Biostar. This will give you all round better performance - and you can put the Internet Build in a microATX case.

 

[paradisiac]

Ah, I see. Do you need the Internet build to fit in a small microATX case?

If not, I suggest swapping the motherboards and putting the Q8300 in the Gigabyte board and use the 2x2GB RAM in it. Then you will have a working PC running at the correct CPU clockspeed.

Then for the internet build, put the E5200 in the Biostar + the 4x1GB RAM.

How does that sound?

nah size isnt an issue, its just i had the biostar and P5Q mobo to do both builds, the psu went bang and killed the P5Q so i decided to use the biostar until i got money for a new mobo as i wanted the QC pc running. then my boss game me the gigabyte mobo as compensation, i know its not the same but better than nothing.

 

[paradisiac]

will the Q8300 be happy with ddr800?

 

[cmndr_andi]

will the Q8300 be happy with ddr800?

Very happy. The performance drop over 1066 is tiny.

 

[paradisiac]

ok, might try that then, but would i be limiting myself in the future going with the G31?

 

[cmndr_andi]

Yes, but with the Biostar you are limiting yourself now (unless you get a cooler and overclock).

 

[paradisiac]

Yes, but with the Biostar you are limiting yourself now (unless you get a cooler and overclock).

but if im starting lower than stock with the biostar would i not gain higher increases with the G31M as it will be starting at its correct speeds?

 

[cmndr_andi]

The P35 (biostar) is a mainstream/enthusuiast motherboard made to overclock CPUs. So although it runs slower at stock - it can push out a much higher maximum FSB, therefore allowing for overclocking much past stock speeds.

The G31 is a budget board that is not designed for overclocking. Therefore trying to overclock a quad core on this board will not be nearly as successful as on a P35. If you use this board you will want to keep the CPU near stock speeds (2.5GHz).

 

[paradisiac]

The P35 (biostar) is a mainstream/enthusuiast motherboard made to overclock CPUs. So although it runs slower at stock - it can push out a much higher maximum FSB, therefore allowing for overclocking much past stock speeds.

The G31 is a budget board that is not designed for overclocking. Therefore trying to overclock a quad core on this board will not be nearly as successful as on a P35. If you use this board you will want to keep the CPU near stock speeds (2.5GHz).

ok that makes sense. also, when i had my E5200 running last time its got a spire aftermarket HSF, not sure on model or anything, i got it because after about 18months the stock one got very noisey. it appeared to keep the DC CPU cooler than stock, worth using this instead of the stock HSF on the QC, problem is it has a panel under the mobo that it screws to, so dont want to have to keep taking motherboard in and out as that increases the chances of something going wrong

found specs of HSF :

Key Features:

# Socket 775 Cooling Fan

# Supports all new P4 Prescott LGA-775 micro-processors

# 90x90x25mm Sleeve bearing fan for silent operation

# Dimensions: Heat sink - 92×92×50 mm (l × w × h), 12VDC Fan : 90×90×25 mm

# Bearing: Sleeve bearing

# Rated speed: 2800 RPM +/-10%

# Rated power: 2.85

# Noise level: 34.0 dBA

# Air flow: 48.2 CFM at 2800 RPM +/10%

# Current: 0.30 A

# Life hours: Sleeve: 30,000

# Features: Blue transparent Spider-Fan, Aluminum high density heat-sink

# Connector: 3 pin mainboard

 

[paradisiac]

dont think that supports the quadcore does it

 

[cmndr_andi]

If you have an after-market cooler already, then definitely use it.

You say it has a backplate - this makes it a bit of a hassle to install, but backplate coolers are much better as they usually make a much better thermal connection with the CPU and don't put as much stress on the motherboard itself.

What is the model of this Sapphire Cooler? I can pull up some reviews for you so you can gauge how well it will work with your system.

dont think that supports the quadcore does it

What doesn't support quad cores?

 

[paradisiac]

If you have an after-market cooler already, then definitely use it.

You say it has a backplate - this makes it a bit of a hassle to install, but backplate coolers are much better as they usually make a much better thermal connection with the CPU and don't put as much stress on the motherboard itself.

What is the model of this Sapphire Cooler? I can pull up some reviews for you so you can gauge how well it will work with your system.

sorry it was a spire SP530S0 HSF not sapphire.

Key Features:

# Socket 775 Cooling Fan

# Supports all new P4 Prescott LGA-775 micro-processors

# 90x90x25mm Sleeve bearing fan for silent operation

# Dimensions: Heat sink - 92×92×50 mm (l × w × h), 12VDC Fan : 90×90×25 mm

# Bearing: Sleeve bearing

# Rated speed: 2800 RPM +/-10%

# Rated power: 2.85

# Noise level: 34.0 dBA

# Air flow: 48.2 CFM at 2800 RPM +/10%

# Current: 0.30 A

# Life hours: Sleeve: 30,000

# Features: Blue transparent Spider-Fan, Aluminum high density heat-sink

# Connector: 3 pin mainboard


Specifications

Intel:
Celeron D ~ 2.93 GHz (340J)

Intel:
Core 2 Duo Extreme ~ 3.2 GHz (775 Dual-core)

Intel:
LGA775 ~ 3.93 GHz (Prescott)

Thermal resistance @ 2000 RPM: 0.4 °C/W
Thermal type: Stars-350

What doesn't support quad cores?

that HSF only says dualcores