I just saw Philips new ad.......OLED+
WTF....they are as bad as Samsung imo
If you have got such a knockout product let it speak for itself, don't create some bs name to call it (ThinAI or whatever from LG is just as bad)
QLED vs OLED
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I just saw Philips new ad.......OLED+
WTF....they are as bad as Samsung imo
If you have got such a knockout product let it speak for itself, don't create some bs name to call it (ThinAI or whatever from LG is just as bad)
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unfortunately it works. the mass market are sheeps they don't have a clue. some don't really care either. all they care about is the price. i just hate when people use the word LED tv because it's incorrect. it's not an LED tv it's an LED edgelit tv therefore most likely to be rubbish at picture quality. they think the word LED makes it superior. it does over CCFL however it's a lot worse than FALD and OLED.
Buying a new TV has become stressful.
I was set to go for a LG B8 this week from a list of a NU8000, Q6FN, Q7FN and XF90.
I play games more than watching TV and movies and the risk factor of burn in is something I don't want to worry about.
I love Quantum Dot colours but the Q6 is probably not worth a couple hundred quid over the NU8000.
The OLED is my wish but real risky for my uses.
I believe that the XF90 will be the closest to the OLED than the rest though I could be wrong.
I was set to go for a LG B8 this week from a list of a NU8000, Q6FN, Q7FN and XF90.
I play games more than watching TV and movies and the risk factor of burn in is something I don't want to worry about.
I love Quantum Dot colours but the Q6 is probably not worth a couple hundred quid over the NU8000.
The OLED is my wish but real risky for my uses.
I believe that the XF90 will be the closest to the OLED than the rest though I could be wrong.
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NU8000 is edge lit so it will have blooming and blacks which are grey. it also has average HDR.
out of all those the XF90 is the only choice if you want very good blacks and do more gaming than anything else.
i wouldn't listen to the OLED crowd as they use varied content. i will buy an OLED in the future but I would never game on one.
so the plus is for hdr10+ .. but maybe, clandestine/hedging their bets, wrt hdr10+ adoption, beyond amazon.
more legitimacy than LG with AI (AL? was it a typo) short for alexa..
Integrated/matching soundbar it seems, seems, an increasing justifiable trend ... eg. bedroom use, don't have n.1 space.
and take some of the add-on market, top end pan one looked good too.
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Got a 50" already so no point going to 505" next would be 65" or 75" so how much would one of these cost? Must be black surround
Yup. Got the XF90 myself as well, also for gaming mostly (PC 95% of the time, PS4 Pro for the rare exclusive otherwise). Truth be told, it looks good with HDR gaming, but not that big of an upgrade over the previous XE70 for SDR gaming. The 120hz 1080p is a nice addition but that's about it. It was very well priced though, so that's why it was worth a buy, the next real upgrade up, in size at least, would've been a bit too much extra (e.g. 75XF85 >50% costlier). Likewise for a better TV qualitatively (AF9/Q900R). That's for gaming only, for movies/netflix and the like, absolutely a worthwhile jump.
whether it is or it isn't about HDR10+ (dubious link at best) - the fact is they called it that to make it look like their OLED itself is better than anyone elses , when in fact its actually identical.
Thanks for the advise. You only confirmed what I already felt and there's no doubt that the XF90 is an amazing TV.
Samsung Qled is too expensive imo for what it offers and while the OLEDs are boss, I wouldn't enjoy it while worrying about it as my usage doesn't suit them.
I ordered the 55" XF90 with a 5 year warranty for the same price I would have paid for the Q6FN.
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Read the AVforums thread on the xf90 it's over 100 pages long. There is posts on how to get the best out of it. Plus a lot of advice given why it's the better option over oled too.
Apparently a lot of people have had bad luck with the oled panel lottery and got ones which are more susceptible to burn in and retention, oled aren't covered by warranty for it either. Also screen cleaning shortens the life of the product I wouldn't be happy having to use that regularly.
It didn’t really back up your point at all, the usage and hours in that test were pretty extreme. 2800-5000 hours is going to take a few years unless you have time to game 8 hours a day. It also mentions its only an issue with bright static HUDs. You can remove them from most games, alter their position or even change the brightness in some titles. The biggest issues in those tests came from TV’s running the CNN channel...
If mine lasts 5 years before I start having issues I’ll be more than happy as that’s my upgrade cycle anyway.
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you can't remove them from games which need them or you rely on for information.
removing them will put you at a disadvantage in online gaming.
also plenty of people over at avforums saying they have retention on their oleds. not burn in but retention.
also good luck selling your tv in 5 years time with burn in on it, will make it worthless
I didn’t say I was going to sell it did I? Your XF90 won’t be worth much in 5 years either.
I don’t know how you’ve interpreted those rtings tests but they aren’t showing the point you made for a few hours of gaming every day.
Over exaggerating the number of people over on avforums with retention issues on newer OLEDs from gaming, it’s nowhere near plenty unless you want to provide some evidence from a forum I frequent myself quite often?
I noticed the example was conveniently left out from that rtings article as well when posted on the previous page:
“For example, someone who plays call of duty or another video game for 2 hours per day may expect similar results after about 2500 days of usage. This corresponds to about 7 years”
That’s also if you’re using it above the nits it should be at if calibrated correctly, unless you game in a very bright room.
I don’t know how you’ve interpreted those rtings tests but they aren’t showing the point you made for a few hours of gaming every day.
Over exaggerating the number of people over on avforums with retention issues on newer OLEDs from gaming, it’s nowhere near plenty unless you want to provide some evidence from a forum I frequent myself quite often?
I noticed the example was conveniently left out from that rtings article as well when posted on the previous page:
“For example, someone who plays call of duty or another video game for 2 hours per day may expect similar results after about 2500 days of usage. This corresponds to about 7 years”
That’s also if you’re using it above the nits it should be at if calibrated correctly, unless you game in a very bright room.
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so permanent burn in after 7 years if gaming 2 hours per day?
if you game 3 hours per day then say around 4.5 years and if gaming for 4 hours per day then 3.5 years.
so i would probably start to see retention within 6 months then permanent burn in within 4 years. no thanks jeff.
image retention is the big issue rather than burn in
if you game 3 hours per day then say around 4.5 years and if gaming for 4 hours per day then 3.5 years.
so i would probably start to see retention within 6 months then permanent burn in within 4 years. no thanks jeff.
image retention is the big issue rather than burn in
How many people game for 3 hours every single day of the year? (that would also have to be 3 hours of static imagery in total not just time spent on the game) fix your maths and start making a viable argument instead of overexaggerating.
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2017 models implemented auto screen cleaning to help reduce burn in/retention while the TV is off.
2018 models further improved this by changing the sub-structure of the pixels (making red bigger or something) which further reduces it, along with the logo dimming feature.
It's not really an issue anymore.
Whatever you go with OLED or QLED, you are going to be happy as the differences are so small at this point. Its nitpicking.
Once Micro LED comes, both OLED and QLED will be obsolete (at least when Micro LED comes to consumer market) but that's not going to be for a while lmao. In that time OLED and QLED will both serve you well.
2018 models further improved this by changing the sub-structure of the pixels (making red bigger or something) which further reduces it, along with the logo dimming feature.
It's not really an issue anymore.
Whatever you go with OLED or QLED, you are going to be happy as the differences are so small at this point. Its nitpicking.
Once Micro LED comes, both OLED and QLED will be obsolete (at least when Micro LED comes to consumer market) but that's not going to be for a while lmao. In that time OLED and QLED will both serve you well.
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plenty of people do. it's a games room. more than 1 person using it. also static imagery the way it works on OLEDS is different to other tv's. those pixels get overused and become effected (worn out).
You still go off the total hours of static imagery as it says in the tests. You’re making things up that aren’t there. 3 hours of gaming likely won’t be 3 hours of static imagery with a bright HUD always in place, things like replays, menus and whatever else come into play.
Basically, the whole thing is overblown with numbers you’re pulling out your arse from a pretty extreme testing environment. Real world usage will find most people have upgraded before retention or burn in even affects them unless you can show me all these posts from the “plenty of avforums members”.
For a gamer who spends every day sat in a room doing long hours they should probably worry about their health rather than whether their TV may retain an image
I’ll be more than happy to report here if it happens on mine as I’ve put over a thousand hours into my B7 so far without any sign of retention, mostly on games that do have a HUD in place for long periods.
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