Queen Elizabeth II has passed away - keep posts civil and respectful

Sankari said:
But they're not a random family. They're a family of aristocrats with a genealogy that goes all the way back to the Tudors. A family which has literally shaped the history of Britain, Wales, Scotland and Ireland for more than 500 years.

They weren't just arbitrarily shoved into Buckingham Palace. They gained and held their position by fighting off all challengers—both foreign and domestic—over many centuries. There's nothing random about the Royals and their role in British society. That's like saying the Romanovs were just a random family.
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I'm sure they have history and that is interesting (also to blame for certain things) But I see no reason why I should place them above my or your own family. They are born, die, eat, sleep and poo just the same as we do the only difference is they're in a position of power because we've allowed them to be

The history of them is interesting but I find it hard to see a valid reason for their existence in 2022. They'll never be gone anyway. People value the tradition so it is what it is. Most of them are harmless
 
bm_999 said:
there is always time when william becomes king i guess
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Charles never seemed interested in becoming king (i was always puzzled why Spitting Image always portrayed him as always waiting for the queen to kick the bucket) It was obvious he was happy to play the prince without any real responsibility. So I'm willing to bet he'll abdicate as soon as possible (5-10 years for things to settle down) and give it to William
 
Junglist said:
I'm sure they have history and that is interesting (also to blame for certain things) But I see no reason why I should place them above my or your own family.
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Nobody's asking you to. But the bottom line is that they're part of the British political system, and that means they're still relevant whether we like it or not.

And just to be clear, I'm no monarchist: I strongly support a republic.
 
Sankari said:
Nobody's asking you to. But the bottom line is that they're part of the British political system, and that means they're still relevant whether we like it or not.

And just to be clear, I'm no monarchist: I strongly support a republic.
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The nice thing or one of them, about the royal family is that you can be as indifferent as you like about them and it won't affect your life at all.
Now if we elected a Blair, a Cameron, a Brown or a Johnson as a president, half the country would be up in arms and half the country would be happy (give or take a few). Then you would have to do it again a few years later.
What could be more British, more laid back, than having a pleasant chap or chapess to attend all the functions, open stuff, give seasons greetings and a nice message, send telegrams to the extremely old as well as a bit of approving of legislation etc., for the government of the day
 
Sankari said:
But they're not a random family. They're a family of aristocrats with a genealogy that goes all the way back to the Tudors. A family which has literally shaped the history of Britain, Wales, Scotland and Ireland for more than 500 years.

They weren't just arbitrarily shoved into Buckingham Palace. They gained and held their position by fighting off all challengers—both foreign and domestic—over many centuries. There's nothing random about the Royals and their role in British society. That's like saying the Romanovs were just a random family.
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Just to put that into some context. It's thought that about 80% of the British population (and so I've read, Meghan Markle) are descended from Edward III. 25% are genetically related to William The Conqueror.

QEII was something like 14 generations on from the Tudors. We're only 35 or so on from Edward III. You, I and QEII are and were most probably related to Genghis Khan.
 
inogen said:
Just to put that into some context. It's thought that about 80% of the British population (and so I've read, Meghan Markle) are descended from Edward III. 25% are genetically related to William The Conqueror.

QEII was something like 14 generations on from the Tudors. We're only 35 or so on from Edward III. You, I and QEII are and were most probably related to Genghis Khan.
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There's a difference between being related to and being the direct bloodline of.
Although the bloodlines are up for discussion!
 
Feek said:
Get a grip please people.

This thread is about The Queen and to a lesser extent about King Charles III, it’s not about Andrew, it’s not about Megan, it’s not about whether the forums should have been closed or not.

Engage your brains before you post.
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Maybe move it out of General discussion or change the title to "words of rememberence for QE II" if you're going to be heavy handed on the moderation and intend to steer the dicussion (or is it echo's ?) one way ?

To be honest it's a bit of an overreach of your powers as mods, you're here to make sure people don't break the rules, not steer conversation in certain directions, maybe in Speakers Corner sure but general discussion ?
 
Minusorange said:
Maybe move it out of General discussion or change the title to "words of rememberence for QE II" if you're going to be heavy handed on the moderation and intend to steer the dicussion (or is it echo's ?) one way ?

To be honest it's a bit of an overreach of your powers as mods, you're here to make sure people don't break the rules, not steer conversation in certain directions, maybe in Speakers Corner sure but general discussion ?
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I think it's just about the fact that this thread is about paying respects to the Queen, not arguing about Andrew or Meghan. That can be done at any time.
 
Minusorange said:
To be honest it's a bit of an overreach of your powers as mods, you're here to make sure people don't break the rules, not steer conversation in certain directions, maybe in Speakers Corner sure but general discussion ?
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Feel free to open a thread in Forum Content Discussion if you’d like to discuss what you think we’re here for.

Lysander said:
I think it's just about the fact that this thread is about paying respects to the Queen, not arguing about Andrew or Meghan.
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This.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Closing the forum was the most bizarre thing I've come across yet. What was that supposed to achieve? Were we being kept from being glued to the TV screens watching the endless coverage? There are members who aren't even British, why were they being denied access? I'll never understand that move.
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I'm a multi national non monarchist but as much as it was frustrating to not have access to the forum I can say that globally this is being talked about 24/7. And owing to the event in question irrespective of my nationality this is a UK forum and what they choose to do as a result is entirely their call. Having some time away from the forums to reflect on the events that have unfolded is not a bad thing.

Would I have liked the forums to remain open? Yes. I enjoy reading things from other people but also the discussion around this subject.

However this is a substantial event regardless of what you think. Also some people can't help themselves and post poor taste things. Perhaps also the moderation team may have wanted to watch everything going on too without having to consider posts in a state of emotional flux.

No one is entitled to access the forums, it's a free service the shop offers.
 
Lysander said:
I think it's just about the fact that this thread is about paying respects to the Queen, not arguing about Andrew or Meghan. That can be done at any time.
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Then like I said, change the thread title to reflect that, otherwise people will rightly think it's just a thread about the Queen and her death which includes her family and things being cancelled because of her death to dicuss generally
 
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