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Coming back from uni today along the M602 towards J12, the ring road at approaching rush hour.

As im about a mile and a half from the ring road traffic starts to queue in the first lane waiting to turn onto the M60 going either north or southbound (usually north).

Now am i just rude, but theres no way in hell im sitting for an extra 15-20 mins in almost stationary traffic if i stopped and joined the queue where it starts!

Every week i drive almost right to the front and merge in there as the lanes are wide enough to squeeze in as people are shuffling forwards.... Do the people who queue from the back just have more patience or time? Im intrigued as to why more people dont do it!
 
The same things happens at the M4/M32 junction.

However there are 3 lanes round the roundabout and onto the M32. The outside/fast lane is always empty so I dont queue and drive straight round that, all the way round the roundabout/traffic light junction and onto the M32. If I queed it would take 15-20mins.

I know that I am doing nothing wrong, dangerous or illegal. I am just using my head.

The same with bus lanes. Lots in Bristol are 24hour lanes, however there are a lot which are 7am-10am. So I drive in them outside of those times and just drive past massive queues of traffic who look at me as if to say "how rude and cheeky!
 
its possibly one of the most annoying things when your trying to make your way along a road only to be blocked by cars that haven't tried to get into the right lane and thus end up stopped in your (otherwise completely clear) lane.

It happens to me huge amounts coming toward home, the duel carageway splits off in two directions, litterally 1/10th of the people are going the same way as me but i end up queing for miles as so many people try your maneuver
 
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This scenario is totally different from the "merge in turn" one you get at roadworks when two lanes are filtering down to one.

It is a tough one. Logic suggests you should really join the back of the queue as if you try to cut in at the last moment you could well not find a space and end up clogging up another lane. The last thing we need in these situations is two lanes of the motorway crawling along as people try to get off at the junction.

That said I do tend to whiz past long queues and cut in later, but I tend to do it when I know the layout of the junction (i.e. a nice wide exit) and know I'll be able to get in without too much difficulty.

The other thing I always do when "taking chances" like this is admit defeat where necessary. What I mean is that, on the odd occasions where I can't get in at the head of the queue for whatever reason then I'll drive on to the next junction rather than snarling up the traffic even more. Obviously if it's a junction I really can't afford to miss then I won't take the chance.

I take a similar attitude on dual-lane roads at junctions where there's a right turn but the right hand lane is straight on or turn right. You can make a lot of ground up by going up the outside as most people stay to the left but you take a chance that someone in front of you will want to turn right and block you at the junction. When this happens I just accept defeat and wait rather than trying to cut back into the free flowing traffic on the left and causing grief. I'm probably alone but people who do this annoy the hell out of me. If you want to take your chances up the outside lane then fair enough, just don't try to cut back in front of me when it doesn't work out! :)
 
People who dont understand the merge in turn rule are possibly the thickest people on our roads.

Infact they shouldnt be allowed to drive at all. There is nothing more annoying than driving towards the merge point as per the highway code (and common sense) only to have some idiot(s) trying to close the gap behind the car infront and making it impossible to merge properly, thinking that its like queuing in a shop and pushing in.

If these people had their way then traffic would back up twice as far and everyone would be there twice as long. :mad:
 
This situation does happen sometimes on the A6 as you get off jct 31 to preston in the morning its always the same jammed up but there are two lanes to use and you merge at the top, its always the same cars automatically keep to the left. Cars who do have the inititive to use the other lane when appropriate, they always have trouble merging in at the top as drivers on the left refuse to let them in.

thedazman
 
Nazbit said:
People who dont understand the merge in turn rule are possibly the thickest people on our roads.

Infact they shouldnt be allowed to drive at all. There is nothing more annoying than driving towards the merge point as per the highway code (and common sense) only to have some idiot(s) trying to close the gap behind the car infront and making it impossible to merge properly, thinking that its like queuing in a shop and pushing in.

If these people had their way then traffic would back up twice as far and everyone would be there twice as long. :mad:
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The scenario posted by the OP isn't merge in turn.
 
Berger said:
... as the lanes are wide enough to squeeze in as people are shuffling forwards....
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TBH, I didn't quite understand the OP's situation, but on my daily drive there are a couple of junctions where I can and sometimes so squeeze through cars to move forward, but I always bear in mind if I can't make the manouvere and an emergency vehicle was to appear, there may not be enough room for people to get out the way. And that would be my fault.
 
saw this on the way to work this morning

huge que of traffic on a dual carriageway. all using one lane because half a mile up the road it becomes single carriageway.

i mean ffs you could reduce the que size by half if people used both lanes. But its just wierd seeing a completely empty lane and a completely solid stationary one.
 
Merge in turn is fair enough, but jumping the queue to get off at a junction is annoying. If you get a few people doing this it all grinds to a halt as three lanes of traffic try to dive off and go down a single sliproad.
 
I find this to be quite annoying too I am very happy to let people in but its the people who steam up in the merging lane to get ahead then try to force their way in it really narks me
 
never usually sit in the queue unless I'm really not in a hurry.

I either go nearer the end and nip in a gap, 99% of the time there always is. The 1% of the time there isn't I just go to the next junction as it's about 500m away :)

What I desteste and really wish peopel wouldn't do is stop/brake very harshly IN THE MIDDLE LANE OF THE MOTORWAY, and sit there stationary with their indicator on. This winds me up something chronic.
 
why should other people have to queue up and you just push in at the start of the queue?

I have the same situation every single morning, there is a roundabout which has two lanes, everyday the patient people of the world queue up in the left hand lane to cross over to the second exit and everyday selfish muppets zoom down the right hand lane and then assume they can push in on the other side of the roundabout where its only a single lane.

Boils my blood, I think I've had at least seven fights at that very roundabout, funniest thing is the willymounters know they are in the wrong yet continue to do it.

So in response to the OP, if you are queuing up in a post office to claim your housing benefit and infront of you are twenty other likeminded people how would you feel if I walked in and jumped straight to the front of the queue to claim my £15 premium bond win?

To add insult to injury what do you think happens to the lane you block whilst trying to barge your way into a queue? thats right it jams up, so all in all why dont you learn how to queue up like the rest of us rather than assuming the road is yours to use as you see fit.
 
Will Gill said:
...there is a roundabout which has two lanes, everyday the patient people of the world queue up in the left hand lane to cross over to the second exit and everyday selfish muppets zoom down the right hand lane and then assume they can push in on the other side of the roundabout where its only a single lane.
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I go over three 2-on-2-off round abouts (2 lanes on 2 lanes off) and what really winds me up are the folk who seem to think nothing of swapping lanes or veering onto my lane, especially at the exits. I mean what the hell. This is my No.1 driving pet hate.

Does anyone else get this problem on these type of roundabouts or is it just me?
 
whitecrook said:
I go over three 2-on-2-off round abouts (2 lanes on 2 lanes off) and what really winds me up are the folk who seem to think nothing of swapping lanes or veering onto my lane, especially at the exits. I mean what the hell. This is my No.1 driving pet hate.

Does anyone else get this problem on these type of roundabouts or is it just me?
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what makes my scenario even worse is the initial two lanes become one and the right lane of the roundabout is clearly labelled with a dirty big right turn only arrow.
 
Will Gill said:
why should other people have to queue up and you just push in at the start of the queue?
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yeah I only nip in if there's a blatently big gap. Usually it's queued up back down the motorway, yet by the junction it's usually pretty free moving, weird.

As said, if there's no space I just carry on to the next junction :)
 
Its the same coming the other way too, towards the m60 ring road from the m62. There is always a big queue going a mile or two back but the junction is always free flowing so you can pull in as normal. I fine it wierd that people queue. :confused:
 
I have to admit I find it highly annoying that some people seem to think driving up to the point where a lane closes then stopping the flow of traffic to push in is utter selfish stupidity. If you can merge close to the end then great you're not doing any harm to anyone but halting traffic because you couldn't be bothered to merge in at a more apt point is on par with getting out of your car, streaking down the verge while wearing your grandmothers nighty flapping your arms and making aeroplane noises, a perfect exampe of what is wrong with care in the community ;)
 
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