Queuing

Will Gill · 18 Oct 2006 at 19:56

whitecrook said:
That's what I'm saying people wouldn't have to 'push in' if folk left a bit of space. They could merge in. I know, we'll call it merge-in-turn....

akin to me giving you my space at the front of a queue in alton towers for example?

again your logic is utterly lost on me,

whitecrook · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:01

Will Gill said:
akin to me giving you my space at the front of a queue in alton towers for example?

again your logic is utterly lost on me,

I didn't realise merge-in-turn was operated at Alton Towers. oh and the road is not 'yours'. You still have a space on the road. (unless i'm mistaken??)

Will Gill · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:09

whitecrook said:
I didn't realise merge-in-turn was operated at Alton Towers. oh and the road is not 'yours'. You still have a space on the road. (unless i'm mistaken??)

did you miss the first word I used, I'll help you out it was akin. I was using the alton towers example in a vain effort to point out how ridiculous your suggestion was. As I can see the whole concept was wasted on you, let me try a more direct approach which I hope wont be too highbrow for you :

queue up like the rest of us and stop being selfish

there was that any easier?

Seriously what on earth makes you think people should leave you a gap so that you can push in? what makes you think you are so much better than everyone else that you dont have to queue up? you really are the ronseal of the username community

NathanE · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:09

Will Gill said:
akin to me giving you my space at the front of a queue in alton towers for example?

again your logic is utterly lost on me,

Alton Towers is different. That is a single-file queue. Merge-in-turn is used a lot in large shopping centres or busy post offices. It's not just a road concept. The main advantage being it shortens the queue length and queuing time.

The thing is gets people is that people understand how to do it in these other instances but when it comes to the road the average Daily Mail reader (too much time in GD

) will think you're "pushing in".

andi · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:10

whitecrook said:
That's what I'm saying people wouldn't have to 'push in' if folk left a bit of space. They could merge in. I know, we'll call it merge-in-turn....

Merge in turn, as said numerous times does not apply in this case. Merge in turn is when two lanes merge into one. Not when someone wants to jump in at the front of the queue.

Ev0 · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:11

Freefaller said:
How about going onto the roundabout and doing a full 360 - or is that too cheeky for some?

lol I'm embaressed to say we do this a lot on one road here

Thing is the lane leading up the the roundabout is a single lane, but when you take the exit we take it's two lanes (as one approach to the rounabout opposite this road is also two lanes). So I go round the roundabout and into the spare lane that's always empty as not much traffic comes from that way.

Then when I'm in that outisde lane I just go straight to the end where it merges into one and push in

Only kidding, I merge in as people do, everyone lets people in on that stretch as 99% of people do the same kinda thing as everyone who is on that road in the morning knows how bad it is.

whitecrook · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:12

Will Gill said:
did you miss the first word I used, I'll help you out it was akin. I was using the alton towers example in a vain effort to point out how ridiculous your suggestion was. As I can see the whole concept was wasted on you, let me try a more direct approach which I hope wont be too highbrow for you :

queue up like the rest of us and stop being selfish

there was that any easier?

Seriously what on earth makes you think people should leave you a gap so that you can push in? what makes you think you are so much better than everyone else that you dont have to queue up? you really are the ronseal of the username community

Oooo

patronising. Nice style.

You are obviously not going to have a proper discussion on this and I'll leave it other people to point out how wrong you are.

Good bye.

whitecrook · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:13

andi said:
Merge in turn, as said numerous times does not apply in this case. Merge in turn is when two lanes merge into one. Not when someone wants to jump in at the front of the queue.

That's very good. But I wasn't talking about the OP's case.

edit.

Will Gill · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:15

NathanE said:
The thing is gets people is that people understand how to do it in these other instances but when it comes to the road the average Daily Mail reader (too much time in GD ) will think you're "pushing in".

what?

I'm having trouble :

a) taking you seriously
b) actually trying to understand the point you are attempting to make
c) wondering what the hell a tabloid newspaper has to do with pushing into a queue of traffic

if you are referring to merging into a lane of slow moving traffic then you too have missed the point. I'm talking about pushing into a stationery queue of traffic at the last possible moment, so if thats considered "cricket" within the pages of your chosen tabloid please let me know I'll make sure I never purchase a copy.

Will Gill · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:16

whitecrook said:
Oooo patronising. Nice style.

You are obviously not going to have a proper discussion on this and I'll leave it other people to point out how wrong you are.

Good bye.

monkey see monkey do

take care

andi · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:19

whitecrook said:
That's very good. But I wasn't talking about your case.

Really? Why did you quote the exact case I'm talking about in post #37 then? Pushing in to the the front of a queue at a junction.

whitecrook · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:21

looking at the OP as it seems to be a bit OT right now...

Is the junction 2 lanes to 2 lanes?

If the junction for example is 2 lanes to 2 lanes there is IMO no problem with going on the outside and turning in at the junction onto the outside lane of the new road.

The problem here is that people seem to think it's OK to change lanes mid-junction. This is a simliar trait to my earlier post where people think it's OK to change lanes on a roundabout regardless of other traffic.

You see, I'll often (every day) see folk who are in the left lane, go onto the slip road and change as they do this onto the right hand lane. This is the folk that 'mess' the junction and the flow of traffic up. For goodness sake keep in lane!

whitecrook · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:22

andi said:
Really? Why did you quote the exact case I'm talking about in post #37 then? Pushing in to the the front of a queue at a junction.

Sorry andi, I didn't realise you weren't the OP. previous post edited.

Will Gill · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:41

maybe simple (forgive my paint ability) pictures might help you whitecrook

in this well drawn example we are looking at two lanes merging into, a great real life example is the A303 where the road often goes from two to one lane, here I wholeheartedly agree that cars should make room for either lane to merge into one, by doing so a good flow is maintained.

in this equally well scribed example you will see a queue of stationery traffic in the left hand lane, lets say this lane is the exit of a motorway, the right lane should contain traffic which has no interest in joining this queue, but as we can see Jim Henson has decided to wait to the last minute to push his way into the queue and by doing so brings chaos into the originally clam lane and probably stuffs up the traffic until someone begrudgingly lets Jim push in.

hope that clears things up for you, by offering resistance to my opinions you have defended the secondary example, was that indeed your intention? or did you just not read this entire thread carefully enough?

/edit picture editted to show a full compliment of brake lights

andi · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:43

Paint pics ***

The last ones not braking though, is he going for the handbrake technique?

whitecrook · 18 Oct 2006 at 20:59

Will Gill said:
maybe simple (forgive my paint ability) pictures might help you whitecrook

<SNIP>

hope that clears things up for you, by offering resistance to my opinions you have defended the secondary example, was that indeed your intention? or did you just not read this entire thread carefully enough?

/edit picture editted to show a full compliment of brake lights

Thanks for that

. In that case I would say the first example is correct and the second example Jim has to :

1. not hold up traffic behind him
2. indicate his intention if he thinks he can get in
3. should a gap arise he should move in, if he can do so safely
4. otherwise, he was too late and should keep going. He has missed his junction.