Quick update from the 7 day 4870 thread

[Final8y]

So what's with your aggression towards me and the 260? Can't you just say something like "well, shame it didn't work out, at least the 260 is performing well for you"

You fuel your own fire and I light it and honestly I don't care. 260 is doing what I need, some people understand that and there will always be poeple arguing at either side which one is better; end of the day theres no clear winner and I can admit that... For MY needs, the 260 is better, for poeple who play specific games that work better on 4870, then that is better for them. My argument was I wasn't bothered providing the gameplay stayed about 60FPS, so 4870's that pull ahead when AA applied don't bother me as the 260 can still hold it above what I need.

This fire is all yours & fuel is nothing with out an ignition.

You should have taken your own adivce & not cared about the performance difference when you started this thread, but you did not do that.
With posting benchmarks & changing other ATI users to a crysis bench shoot out.

Yeah enjoy the card that what i would have done.

 

[elpedro]

Oh I do applogise Adsta, give me your address so I can send a written apology sealed with a kiss, ah this forum is sweet

 

[AWPC]

You guys crack me up - for goodness sake the 260 and 4870 are on par, they beat each other, get that in your head. Backward step my a***, you seen the clock speed you can get out of these. Fair enough, apply crazy AA and the 4870 could well pull in front, providing the 260 takes me over 60FPS (which it does) I do not care....

Furthermore, I bought the 260 for £160 vat + delivery. OcUK sell the sapphire 4870 for £200 so who's getting better bang for buck? Now I wish I bought a couple of GTX 280s to shut you delusional fan boys up.


LoL, just lol. Go outside and wake up? I really am getting tierd of this, its a damn piece of hardware for playing games which is going to last me around 6 months; what's your problem? Its like I have just commited a crime or something? THEY ARE ONLY GAMES and quite frankly going out getting p*ssed with ppl from uni is a lot more fun; not good bang for buck mind, review sites everywhere say so...

Your the one trying to tell everyone with a 4870 this but they are not on a par at all.

Apart from Nvidia sponsored Crysis 4870 is ahead and almost at GTX280 FPS speeds when you apply AA. You talk about overclocking and again 4870 can be overclocked to 141GBsec on stock air cooling (same as GTX280 stock bandwidth).

If you want to throw the GTX260 Maxcore in then compare that to the 4870 1GB.

Most 4870s were on release a lot cheaper than GTX260/280 which forced NV to drop prices to sensible levels only reason prices have gone up again recently is because of the £$ exchange rate.

 

[Final8y]

Anyway i like a good debate but i got other things to do.

 

[elpedro]

Your the one trying to tell everyone with a 4870 this but they are not on a par at all.

Get me the unquestionable proof that the 4870 is out right winner in every case except Crysis... please

 

[Adsta]

Oh I do applogise Adsta, give me your address so I can send a written apology sealed with a kiss, ah this forum is sweet

meh whatever , im not feeding the troll. I've said what i had to say my points stand

 

[willhub]

elpedro cant comment on the performance of the 4870, anything he says is basically invalid, its like me getting a faulty GTX280 and then swapping it for a 4870 and saying the 4870 wins it in everything no question when infact the GTX280 was faulty etc..

Looking at reviews you can clearly see where the GTX260 Vs the 4870 is, the 4870 is faster sometimes, GTX260 others, 4870 has been shown to have better AA performance however.

A GTX260 216 or w/e it is can be faster than a 4870 but the 4870 still pulls ahead of that a few times.

 

[elpedro]

elpedro cant comment on the performance of the 4870, anything he says is basically invalid, its like me getting a faulty GTX280 and then swapping it for a 4870 and saying the 4870 wins it in everything no question when infact the GTX280 was faulty etc..

Looking at reviews you can clearly see where the GTX260 Vs the 4870 is, the 4870 is faster sometimes, GTX260 others, 4870 has been shown to have better AA performance however.

A GTX260 216 or w/e it is can be faster than a 4870 but the 4870 still pulls ahead of that a few times.

Totally agree, the problems I had with the 4870 only affected a few games, but yes, who knows, it could well have played better in Crysis. I did post my result from Crysis in the OcUK table and it seemed to fit well (45FPS, 1680, dx9, high) which seemed about right. Also it completely ate CoD4 up which I am yet to try on the 260 but I think it will take a bigger hit to the FPS with the 4xAA

 

[willhub]

So what else increased?

3DMark score increased aint much of a indication of performance jump.
Crysis, well yea it will have increased as everyone says its optimized for Nvidia.

 

[elpedro]

Well things like TF2 I can't compare cos that was one of the games that suffered FPS drops. Combined with the fact I use vsync, the 260 is an OC version and I barely played on the 4870 I'm not the best person to ask. Like you say it could be biased if the 4870 wasn't workin to its full potential.

I did notice minimum FPS on GRID was higher on the 260, but the 4870 had a greater max FPS with AA applied. Nothing really ground breaking or affecting performance tbh Oh and UT3 seemed very similar, without a timed benchmark hard to compare again. Obviously temperature wise, the 260 is a lot cooler and the fan is quieter. I just think they are very even and I don't believe I have taken a step back if the only game that both struggle with but is better on a 260 (Crysis) is performing better then I am happy. I think I would be happier with a working 4870 if my monitor had a refresh rate greater than 60Hz

 

[Adrianr]

Me! i would have just posted & i would have been done.

You would have been done, maybe, but you can't honestly tell me the 4870 brigade would have let that one lie?

This thread was like goading a bull from the start, was going exactly the same way as the last one, you all knew it, yet you all sent it there anyway. I hope someone feels an overwhelming glow of Internet winning right now, or you've just wasted a lot of effort.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

elpdero, how do you find the gtx260 to be in driver feature terms compared to the 4870?
do you like the ability to have custom game specific profiles for individual games with the nvidia card?
for me personally the custom profiles is one of the largest advantages that the nvidia cards offer.

also with the 4870 did it still have issues where the card doesnt clock up into 3d speeds when a WINDOWED 3d app is run? that issue has plagued ati ever since the introduction of seperate 2d/3d speeds.

also you state crysis runs better on the gtx260, im guessing thats mainly because of the larger amount of vram on the gtx, crysis uses loads of memory, and with the gtx260 you can even disable texture streaming and put your additional memory to good use. the extra vram could possibly provide you better minimum fps in games due to less texture thrashing from system ram to video ram.

 

[elpedro]

with the gtx260 you can even disable texture streaming and put your additional memory to good use. the extra vram could possibly provide you better minimum fps in games due to less texture thrashing from system ram to video ram.

Do continue?

ATi's CCC has some pretty nice features and lots of them. Different AA filters, HDTV settings but I think Nvidia's is up there with ATI's. Yes the separate game profiles are handy if you want to force AA for example in a certain game etc.

One thing I did like was the sound over HDMI adapter. Didn't affect me as I have separate sound but its a very simple and good idea for those playing on a TV.

 

[AWPC]

Get me the unquestionable proof that the 4870 is out right winner in every case except Crysis... please

Sure M8 no problem even found one which shows the 4870 beating a GTX260 in Crysis (not by much!!). Have not bothered with the ones which show Bioshock a long way ahead. You should have done this before going backwards

Hopefully this is of benefit to anyone thinking about upgrading soon as it shows that the 4870 on stock clocks can come close to the GTX280

 

[Final8y]

Custom game specific profiles for individual games are available in CCC as well in the Profiles-Profiles Manager tab & have been so for a long time now which i use my self.

 

[bee]

You would have been done, maybe, but you can't honestly tell me the 4870 brigade would have let that one lie?

This thread was like goading a bull from the start, was going exactly the same way as the last one, you all knew it, yet you all sent it there anyway. I hope someone feels an overwhelming glow of Internet winning right now, or you've just wasted a lot of effort.

hahah so true

 

[elpedro]

And here are my graphs, only going to post the ones where the 260 wins like you did with 4870

This has to be the main head-to-head battle, as both cards pricing are hovering around the $299 mark. As you can see, the results are rather balanced. The GeForce GTX 260 is on average 32% faster in Company of Heroes, whereas the Radeon HD 4870 is on average 42% faster in Quake Wars. The Radeon HD 4870 was up to 19% faster in Devil May Cry 4 and 7% in Supreme Commander, while the World in Conflict and Crysis performance was much the same on either card.

While the Radeon HD 4870 seems to get the better of the exchanges, we think it is safe to say that overall the performance is much the same between these two $299 graphics cards.

Graph wars F T W

 

[Rroff]

I still prefer the FSAA quality on the 200 series to the 4800 series - especially at 4x which I use - the ATI cards looks like they are only running 2x on a lot of edges. And when I tweaked both cards to look pretty much identical quality wise strangely enough they were performing pretty much identical too... that does still give the 4870 the edge being cheaper and having slightly more vibrant colors even after tweaking the nVidia's colors - but personally I've had too many issues with ATI drivers to want to run one for my main PC.

I spent slightly over the odds to get the maxcore over the regular 260 but I'm quite happy so far with it - and as I already have a very fast 8800GT SLI setup in my other PC that probably tells you where my priorities are

EDIT: having said that you can now get the 260GTX cheaper than the 4870.

 

[Pers]

I spent slightly over the odds to get the maxcore over the regular 260 but I'm quite happy so far with it

Same for me. I'm not fussed about the extra money at all because the card is top class. Btw Rroff I must be going blind but I can't see your results with it.

 

[Rroff]

I pulled down the crysis result because it wasn't running the test at the resolution I set in the options resulting in a score about 4-5fps higher than it would be at the right res.