R600 - When

lay-z-boy · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:15

Ulfhedjinn said:
I guess you think that AOL is the best ISP too.

WTF?

Quit the personal attacks, that has zero relevance to what im talking about.

Why do you keep trying to deny the obvious, the 8800gtx is the the fastest thing out, it beats its current competition in speed and image quality and even has some nice future proofing features.

Yet somehow this has something to do with isp's?

i think not.

break it down for you just in case you want to argue (i dont)

8800gts/x > *

as of now.

Gashman · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:17

Ulfhedjinn said:
What is this obsession people here have that if you don't want something you must be poor or jealous? I'm guessing you're about twelve years old or something to come out with that moronic statement.

My X1900XT cuts through everything, and will easily last me until the G80/R600 refreshes which will hopefully be smaller and more powerful. If they're not then I won't bother upgrading as it won't be worth it.

It's not my fault I'm unimpressed with the 8800GTX (would rather get a 7950GX2 if I was spending that much, but like I said, my Core 2 Duo and X1900XT cuts through everything so I don't even need to consider upgrading until this time next year.)

agreed, its getting ridiculous, 8800s are simply too big and require too much power, im not that interested in 'pointless' upgrades, hence why i think core 2 duo is waste of time as well since my athlon will do me fine until the AMD refresh, but back to the topic, G80 and R600 cards sound like a complete *** * take, IMO you'd have to have a really strange reason to buy something thats takes more than twice the power of a 7900GS for the limited improvement you would see, sure before i get flamed to hell theres performance potential, but its being held back by lazy game coding, even something like a 6800GT is being held back, don't waste time getting another card thats simply being wasted, wait till vista and the second generation IMO

ernysmuntz · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:24

Ulfhedjinn said:
I guess you think that AOL is the best ISP too.

Not many people with AOL these days actually mate

ernysmuntz · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:25

Guess you lot aren't aware of the title of the thread

lay-z-boy · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:25

Gashman said:
agreed, its getting ridiculous, 8800s are simply too big and require too much power, im not that interested in 'pointless' upgrades, hence why i think core 2 duo is waste of time as well since my athlon will do me fine until the AMD refresh, but back to the topic, G80 and R600 cards sound like a complete *** * take, IMO you'd have to have a really strange reason to buy something thats takes more than twice the power of a 7900GS for the limited improvement you would see, sure before i get flamed to hell theres performance potential, but its being held back by lazy game coding, even something like a 6800GT is being held back, don't waste time getting another card thats simply being wasted, wait till vista and the second generation IMO

I've said it before and i will say it again,

If you don't like something, change it.
Code a game efficiently so you need an x300 to play it at max details etc or become part of a core design team.

But your going to find out that when you say they are poorly optimised that is total and utter crap.

Let me guess, if you optimised it well enough, on-board and a pentium 1 is good enough.

you really cant compair cpu's and gpu's, going from a x2 to a c2d is a really inefficient move in many cases, but depending upon your needs it can be a godsend as well.

Going from an x1900xtx to a 8800gtx is a godsend, whereas cranking everything up in the ati drivers got me very low fps the gtx keeps on steaming though and will do with my new screen (when i get it too)

(aimed at ranters)

If you dont like it or want it dont buy it but by all means stop ranting and having a go at others.

shrek2 · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:26

ATI suck when it comes to releasing new cards. Nvidia always catch them napping. I bet when the R600 releases, Nvidia will have refreshes of the G80 waiting in the wings. I really cant understand why they are always behind in the release schedule.

lay-z-boy · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:27

shrek2 said:
ATI suck when it comes to releasing new cards. Nvidia always catch them napping. I bet when the R600 releases, Nvidia will have refreshes of the G80 waiting in the wings. I really cant understand why they are always behind in the release schedule.

Kind of bias imo, both have had their bad days.

The reason is at the top of the thread

size
heat
power consumption
and they want to time it with vista

benjo · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:30

lay-z-boy said:
snip

I dont see how you could class that as a personal attack, unless you're really fond of aol

Anywho, i don't think you see where Ulfhedjinn is coming from. He doesn't want to upgrade. He hasn't said that his X1900 is better. He's just said that it's working fine for him so why should he spend out on something that he wouldn't really use? :confused:

Cyber-Mav · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:30

manoz said:
Anyone care to explain what this means . Is it gona require 2 molexes and 1 6pin PCIe connector or is the 2x4 pin "special" and would mean we have to purchase new PSU that has these pins?

well 2x4 = 8 so sounds to me like the P8 connector :eek:

Slap · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:31

Please be gentle with me; what are "G80/R600 refreshes" ?
Specifically the "refreshes" bit.

ta

lay-z-boy · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:33

Slap said:
Please be gentle with me; what are "G80/R600 refreshes" ?
Specifically the "refreshes" bit.

ta

as of now its just speculation

Antx777 · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:39

Slap said:
Please be gentle with me; what are "G80/R600 refreshes" ?
Specifically the "refreshes" bit.

ta

Well, an ATI X1950XT-X was the refresh of the X1900XT-X for example, like the X850XT was the refresh of a X800pro - i suppose the GeForce 7950 GX2 is the refresh of the GeForce 7900 I guess? - not sure

-Ant

LoadsaMoney · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:40

shrek2 said:
ATI suck when it comes to releasing new cards. Nvidia always catch them napping. I bet when the R600 releases, Nvidia will have refreshes of the G80 waiting in the wings. I really cant understand why they are always behind in the release schedule.

The G80 refresher has already been announced, was announced the same day as G80 was launched, its coming in Feb.

@lay-z-boy a refresher is just a speedbumped version, the G80 refresh will be a bit faster/better and possibly smaller, and may use less power, be more like a G80 version 1.5.

Its a also a mint.

ernysmuntz · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:40

They can't just keep on shrinking the parts inside the cores of processors, its just how it is now you better get used to it.

And its only going to get worse gradually.

The next refresh might not need as much power, but you can bet the generation after this will need even more power, with that refresh needing a bit less......and so on.

Thats just how it is, its been said as much for a heck of a long time, intel got lucky with the Core2Duo, but how long was that in development for, graphics tech isn't lile processors, those Core2Duo's, or technology based on them is going to be knocking around for a good few years.

The G80\R600 isn't, they're in a race for performance, power requirments come a smelly second to their number one pritority, dominating the top spot and thus improving sales.

They are a buisness after all, and you lot have all "bought into it"...Things are getting abit hot now, if you can't handle the heat get out the kitchen or whatever, because they certainly aren't going to make a concerted effort to reduce power requirments unless its in their financial interest (ATI\NV)...

And its not, ATI\NV target their cards at a different audience to that off a few years ago, back then the cards were targeted at us, the proper entheusiast....heck we weren't even called "entheusiasts" back then, just another buzz word...but anyway, they were targeted at us overclockers, now they are targeted at americans...they couldn't give a stuff about us, now they've hit the "mainstream".

Mainstream = 14-18 year old american annoying little brat with spots, the type you see on xbox live and in most online games these days.

Its no use complaining, and its no use even talking about it, surely you must all realise this?

There's no turning the clock back, things are only gonna get worse, your complaining constantly now, I dread to think what (if your interest in being on the cutting edge\overclocking hasn't fizzled out because of this new wave of tossers making things go all hyped and what not) you will be saying in a years time.

Heck even now the american, "pwnage" culture has seeped in here gradually, what with words like "b0rked" and all those other words that should repulse you true english folk....

Yet you all join on the bandwagon and are getting turned....

Another thing there was a "Launch Party" for the recent G80 release, I think there was one for the G70 also....I mean whats that all about? Why do we need a launch party, all this fluff and rubbish...

Even the review sites are getting in on it, they've all totally sold old, turned into pure profit making machines with their advert infested 30page reviews...written by 18 year old plonkers who look like they couldn't even pass a GSCE english literature exam, with their broken english, waffle and general annoying buzz talk....

Had it up to here with the whole thing....

(But I got nothin better to do so I'm still here

/Rant....sorry got carried away again....

ernysmuntz · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:41

Can anyone relate with what I've said or am i just the single strange nutter who see's things like this?

Darkwave · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:42

benjo said:
I dont see how you could class that as a personal attack, unless you're really fond of aol

Anywho, i don't think you see where Ulfhedjinn is coming from. He doesn't want to upgrade. He hasn't said that his X1900 is better. He's just said that it's working fine for him so why should he spend out on something that he wouldn't really use?

Exactly, especially since I use 1440x900 resolution and see no reason to get a bigger monitor yet either.

The 8800s are just too big, too power hungry, too expensive and not a big enough performance increase for me to care right now. My X1900XT, great as it is, already had similar absurd requirements so until things shape up (hopefully with the refreshes) I'm not going to bother. When things shape up, I'll get a nice fat monitor and an elite graphics card, but IMO ATI and Nvidia are getting rapidly lazy.

ernysmuntz · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:43

LoadsaMoney said:
Its a also a mint.

There was me thinking it was flavoured baking soda pressed into pill form?

Slap · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:48

Thanks for the refresh clarification chaps.

And, if I may be so bold, that was rather good rant Erny

ernysmuntz · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:49

lol, thanx

Antx777 · 13 Nov 2006 at 17:55

ernysmuntz said:
lol, thanx

Yes ernysmuntz and 14-18 year old Americano's with rich moms' and pa's won't be too interested in be enthusiastic about these cards - and the overclocking that goes with it. The "I want it now" society, are producing these large gigantic creatures....+ spots of course

-Ant