R9 Nano Review thread

andybird123 · 11 Sep 2015 at 08:36

I was thinking the non-X, for an mitx build if you are water cooling the GPU, a water blocked Fury would be the same price as a stock nano, over clock and possibly unlock...

Gregster · 11 Sep 2015 at 09:01

Meladath said:
Great card, in a league of its own. Funny to see titan owners bash the PRICE of this card LMFAO... "but if you want the best you have to pay for it!". Yet that argument doesn't work when the shoe is on the other foot eh? Nice one guys... nice one...

I agree its too expensive for what it is for the average consumer, should have been around Fury Pro price.

The trouble with your argument is the Titan X was launched and nothing could touch it, there was nothing remotely close to it in terms of speed except perhaps the 290X2 but then you have all the problems of MGPU. If they hadn't launched the Titan X till after the 980Ti, I doubt there would be half the sales of it.

The Nano launches, it isn't the fastest, it isn't even close to being the fastest, it certainly isn't the best but comes with a very high price tag.

JediFragger · 11 Sep 2015 at 09:02

Kaapstad said:
Is this the most pointless waterblock ever ?

For the same money as the Nano you can buy a Fury X and put a block on that. The advantage being you get a lot more performance with the Fury X.

http://www.techpowerup.com/215928/aquacomputer-announces-kryograpics-radeon-r9-nano-water-block.html

Let's hope they're producing in single digits and not thousands

Joe! · 11 Sep 2015 at 09:04

Gregster said:
The Nano launches, it isn't the fastest, it isn't even close to being the fastest, it certainly isn't the best but comes with a very high price tag.

The Nano is quite a niche, 'show case' card in my opinion, whether the price is based on that, its size, or something else, I'm not sure.

If I was going for m/iTX I would much rather get a slightly bigger case and put a Fury X in it, but each to their own at the end of the day.

Gregster · 11 Sep 2015 at 09:08

Joe! said:
The Nano is quite a niche, 'show case' card in my opinion, whether the price is based on that, its size, or something else, I'm not sure.

If I was going for m/iTX I would much rather get a slightly bigger case and put a Fury X in it, but each to their own at the end of the day.

Yer, I agree and the FX is perfect for so many of the Micro cases, it just makes sense to get that and all the extra power with less throttling. They have sold 4 though, so each to their own and I am sure the guys who have bought them will enjoy them.

JediFragger · 11 Sep 2015 at 09:10

At this rate then Fury sales should catch up with the Ti in around 750 years

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 11 Sep 2015 at 11:07

Gregster said:
The trouble with your argument is the Titan X was launched and nothing could touch it, there was nothing remotely close to it in terms of speed except perhaps the 290X2 but then you have all the problems of MGPU. If they hadn't launched the Titan X till after the 980Ti, I doubt there would be half the sales of it.

The Nano launches, it isn't the fastest, it isn't even close to being the fastest, it certainly isn't the best but comes with a very high price tag.

It is the fastest SFF card in history and an indication what we can expect to come in the next few years.

Plus people still bought Titans and Titan X cards even when faster GTX780/GTX780TI and GTX980TI cards were available and considering only just last week some people were berating others for complaining that the Titan X was overpriced,but the same people are now whining Nano is overpriced.

Funny how value for money metrics are now important for them especially when people were banging on about "enthusiast cards" and so on.

You do realise there are SFF PC enthusiasts too?? One of my mates even built an ammo-box PC..got stoked for this and realised it would be bat **** expensive and decided to wait until the next gen. Me too now.

But there are those who might consider it once it hits RRP I suspect.

Are you going to berate them for spending too much??

Personally I think it's expensive especially when the lofty RRP of £500 is being inflated but then I always maintained once you go much over £200 to £300 the price performance/curve is a moot point anyway....all the cards are overpriced over that and are luxury cards.

Even the GTX980 and R9 390X are made to look overpriced by the GTX970 and R9 390.

But if you are willing to buy OTT prices for one companies lines...

I thought I would never say it but its getting the point of like when people complain how expensive a £500 iPhone is and Apple is a ripoff and then buy a £500 Samsung one....and vice versa.

andybird123 · 11 Sep 2015 at 11:13

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It is the fastest SFF card in history and an indication what we can expect to come in the next few years.

But what SFF cases will the nano fit that the 980ti can't?

that's why we are confused as to why its the "fastest SFF card", because the only case I can find with a big enough PSU for a decent CPU and a Nano, is also big enough to take a 980ti, or a Fury, or a FuryX... or pretty much any of the cards that are much cheaper and just as fast as the Nano when it is in a SFF case

I'm not defending the TitanX pricing either, personally I don't need 12GB so I didn't get any, but at least if you were mental enough to try 3x4K gaming it is sat there ready
I'm not even attacking the Nano pricing as such, its the actual product I don't see the point in as its not the fastest in an SFF case

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 11 Sep 2015 at 11:36

andybird123 said:
But what SFF cases will the nano fit that the 980ti can't?

that's why we are confused as to why its the "fastest SFF card", because the only case I can find with a big enough PSU for a decent CPU and a Nano, is also big enough to take a 980ti, or a Fury, or a FuryX... or pretty much any of the cards that are much cheaper and just as fast as the Nano when it is in a SFF case

I'm not defending the TitanX pricing either, personally I don't need 12GB so I didn't get any, but at least if you were mental enough to try 3x4K gaming it is sat there ready
I'm not even attacking the Nano pricing as such, its the actual product I don't see the point in as its not the fastest in an SFF case

Plenty the GTX980TI cannot fit in and many custom builds.

I have nothing but SFF PCs since late 2005 - what has dictated my case size has been card length and PSU volume.

The smaller cases which try and fit in longer cards also have severe limitations in other ways too.

This is a niche product and for me the GTX970 mini and Nano are the only two highish end cards I found interesting in years TBH.

The GTX970 Mini OFC being probably the most likely I would buy since I am definitely in the sub £300 arena for cards.

Now, I would like to see what AIBs can do with a mini-ITX GTX980...

The thing is I am generally excited what 14nm/16nm will bring together with HBM2.

Not just for performance but for making smaller cases mainstream.

Plus I don't consider cases like the Prodigy and 250D small.

They are mahoosive cases.

andybird123 · 11 Sep 2015 at 11:41

like which? I am openly admitting that I don't know much about SFF cases, but from a quick look, the only ones I can find with a decent enough PSU for a nano, can also fit a full sized card, if you can point me in the direction of which SFF cases that are ideal for the Nano then I'll happily change my tune

the only case I can find with a big enough PSU is the SG05, what other ones are there?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 11 Sep 2015 at 11:43

BTW, a heads up,Tarinder over on Hexus will be testing the card in an SG05,so we can see if it can sustain its performance.

Jim99 · 11 Sep 2015 at 11:48

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
BTW, a heads up,Tarinder over on Hexus will be testing the card in an SG05,so we can see if it can sustain its performance.

Didn't KitGuru do that and found that it didn't change much?

Anyway, I'm still a bit puzzled over the hate for this card. AFAICT, it's a lower-clocked Fury X in a smaller package, but it's exactly the same product underneath so therefore you would expect it cost the same.

If you want a cheaper Fury X, you can get the Fury.

What am I missing?

Wrinkly · 11 Sep 2015 at 11:51

Kaapstad said:
The Nano for what it is should be retailing at a lower price than the Fury.

Let's face it; the IT enthusiast on here makes just about as much sense as a 300lb burger enthusiast preaching good nutrition. The "Enthusiast" will purchase niche products at any price which the Nano is. This was also true for the Titan X.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 11 Sep 2015 at 11:58

Jim99 said:
Didn't KitGuru do that and found that it didn't change much?

Anyway, I'm still a bit puzzled over the hate for this card. AFAICT, it's a lower-clocked Fury X in a smaller package, but it's exactly the same product underneath so therefore you would expect it cost the same.

If you want a cheaper Fury X, you can get the Fury.

What am I missing?

I don't understand all the hate either - but I expect the vast majority of it comes from peopel who own massive ATX rigs,and probably think the 250D is a tiny case.

It should cost the same as the Fury X as its the same RRP - the rest of the price is the retailer premium.

Had a look through some more reviews in detail - the PCPER ones uses an Elite 110 and the card maintains its clockspeed!

Next year,Pascal and Arctic Islands are going to be quite interesting!!

andybird123 said:
like which? I am openly admitting that I don't know much about SFF cases, but from a quick look, the only ones I can find with a decent enough PSU for a nano, can also fit a full sized card, if you can point me in the direction of which SFF cases that are ideal for the Nano then I'll happily change my tune

the only case I can find with a big enough PSU is the SG05, what other ones are there?

Lots of Lian Li aluminium cases like the Q07 and Q33 for one. The Elite 110 and so on. Plenty.

There are quite a few other aluminium Chinese and Korean ones out there.

Many of the vertical rectangular tower cases can only support shortish GPUs.

The vast majority of HTPC cases and so on.

Remember,all those builds which showed off what the mini-ITX GTX970 could do??

Plus plenty of custom build cases.

Jono8 · 11 Sep 2015 at 12:01

^ blimey. £300 more for not a huge amount of fps!

Gregster · 11 Sep 2015 at 12:02

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It is the fastest SFF card in history and an indication what we can expect to come in the next few years.

Plus people still bought Titans and Titan X cards even when faster GTX780/GTX780TI and GTX980TI cards were available and considering only just last week some people were berating others for complaining that the Titan X was overpriced,but the same people are now whining Nano is overpriced.

Funny how value for money metrics are now important for them especially when people were banging on about "enthusiast cards" and so on.

You do realise there are SFF PC enthusiasts too?? One of my mates even built an ammo-box PC..got stoked for this and realised it would be bat **** expensive and decided to wait until the next gen. Me too now.

But there are those who might consider it once it hits RRP I suspect.

Are you going to berate them for spending too much??

Personally I think it's expensive especially when the lofty RRP of £500 is being inflated but then I always maintained once you go much over £200 to £300 the price performance/curve is a moot point anyway....all the cards are overpriced over that and are luxury cards.

Even the GTX980 and R9 390X are made to look overpriced by the GTX970 and R9 390.

But if you are willing to buy OTT prices for one companies lines...

I thought I would never say it but its getting the point of like when people complain how expensive a £500 iPhone is and Apple is a ripoff and then buy a £500 Samsung one....and vice versa.

I don't berate anyone for what they spend and that is totally their choice but under no circumstance can I see a reason to recommend the Nano and that is what my point was. I also agree with Andy and can't find a SFF case that has a big enough PSU to cope with the demands of the Nano but the case is too small for anything else, so as it stands today, I just can't see why someone would buy a Nano over the much faster Fury X/980Ti in truth.

andybird123 · 11 Sep 2015 at 12:04

KitGuru used an SG13 with the same result, just that the 980ti in the same case was much faster

so we get to the end of the puzzle at least, the SG13 is 222 x 285 x 181 and can fit a 980ti
the Elite 110 is 260 x 280 x 208 and can't

umkay

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 11 Sep 2015 at 12:07

andybird123 said:
KitGuru used an SG13 with the same result, just that the 980ti in the same case was much faster

so we get to the end of the puzzle at least, the SG13 is 222 x 285 x 181 and can fit a 980ti
the Elite 110 is 260 x 280 x 208 and can't

umkay

You really are out of your depth here dude - the Elite 110 can support a few HDDs,whilst the SG13 can't and is also limited to SFX PSUs too.

Your GTX980TI cannot.

Loads of cases like that exist.

But the thing is you were not going on how pointless the GTX970-ITX was either,so I expect you are just going to bicker and bicker like D.P. was doing.

So,we will need to agree to disagree as I doubt you will bother reading anything I post properly.

andybird123 · 11 Sep 2015 at 12:12

No, its fine, its the information I asked for, not quite sure why you are getting all uppity, I even said that I openly admit that I don't know about SFF and was ASKING for info :/
Would they not take a FuryX though? like not even if you mounted the rad to the outside of the case?

I was looking at it as coming from the smallest SFF cases and working my way up, I didn't realise there were lots of much much bigger cases that are just really short.

Having just switched to M.2, I wonder why someone would want lots of big hard disks in an SFF though? If you're building a NAS would you really want a Nano in it as well?

I'm trying to narrow down to where the Nano becomes a recommendation worth making... if someone already has a specific case in mind or isn't building from scratch, and wants a few FPS over a 970?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 11 Sep 2015 at 12:13

Meant to say Q11:

http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-q11/

Q7 is only a single slotter case.

Reference GTX980TI card is just over 10".

There is also another advantage to the shorter card - in the Q11 it gives some space at the front,so the hot air can rise through the case,and be expelled by the front fan.

Longer cards will create a dead zone at the bottom.

There are other cases out there - but ATM trying to post on a phone. Hence the disjointed nature of my posts.

andybird123 said:
No, its fine, its the information I asked for, not quite sure why you are getting all uppity, I even said that I openly admit that I don't know about SFF and was ASKING for info :/
Would they not take a FuryX though? like not even if you mounted the rad to the outside of the case?

I was looking at it as coming from the smallest SFF cases and working my way up, I didn't realise there were lots of much much bigger cases that are just really short.

Having just switched to M.2, I wonder why someone would want lots of big hard disks in an SFF though? If you're building a NAS would you really want a Nano in it as well?

I'm trying to narrow down to where the Nano becomes a recommendation worth making... if someone already has a specific case in mind or isn't building from scratch, and wants a few FPS over a 970?

Like I said zero similar concerns when the GTX970 ITX was launched - all I saw was awesome123!

Regarding,people who have lots of big HDDs in a PC?? I do - I have a couple of TB in my last few SFF PCs.

I do photography and some video stuff on and off. I have dedicated disks for storage and scratch SSDs and so on.

My last Shuttle was used 3D deconvolution which produced massive data sets during my work.

Dude,seriously you could say why buy a GTX980TI when its a few FPS more than a GTX980,or buy a Titan X over a GTX980TI if its a few FPS more.

If not none of you should ever buy anything over a £250 card.