Race and intelligence

ninja economist · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:25

iCraig said:
Can't believe the score for Inuits. How did they even test them?

"What does this shape look like to you?"

Fish.

"Do you know who the first US President was?"

Fish.

"Do you know what element 'Cu' represents?

Fis...Ice.

A regular Benny Hill. Aren't you?

RetiredGreyFox · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:26

inferno said:
Blacks are good at music

Lets assume we're talking about the modern black and I don't think stealing other peoples music and overlaying gangsta lyrics is better than white folks music.
It even took a white man to do it better than any black - Eminem.

starscream · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:29

inferno said:
Well from my personal experience....

Asians are good at maths
Whites are average at all
Blacks are good at physical things/ music

or am I being racist?

You're not being racist. If you were to infer from your very narrow experience that those charactaristics can be applied generally be people of those races, you would be naive however.

manoz · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:32

dmpoole said:
Lets assume we're talking about the modern black and I don't think stealing other peoples music and overlaying gangsta lyrics is better than white folks music.
It even took a white man to do it better than any black - Eminem.

lol, you honestly think eninem is better then any black rapper?, he's nothing but a novelty.

iCraig · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:33

ninja economist said:
A regular Benny Hill. Aren't you?

Thanks.

escape sanity · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:41

inferno said:
Well from my personal experience....

Asians are good at maths
Whites are average at all
Blacks are good at physical things/ music

or am I being racist?

That does seem to be the case in many instances but I think it at least partly down to each culture's views on education than natural ability. For example, Chinese people are good at Maths because their education system values Maths very highly

Stretch · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:42

messiah khan said:
Ive read one lot of research that was done, where Jewish people came out on top for intelligence. This doesn't suprise me though tbh, as they have been presecuted for thousands of years, which could mean that intelligence was required to survive.

lol, are you serious. The Jewish religion has only existed for around 3500 years. Are you suggesting that in such a short period of time the Jewish people have evolved a higher level of intelligence?

Justintime · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:47

manoz said:
lol, you honestly think eninem is better then any black rapper?, he's nothing but a novelty.

Found that funny too. Guess he thinks Vanilla Ice was da bomb as well

Eminem is ok, but simple fact is theres tons of better rappers than him out there, his rise to fame was not only due to him being a good rapper, but white as well.

cleanbluesky · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:51

starscream said:
If you were to infer from your very narrow experience that those charactaristics can be applied generally be people of those races, you would be naive however.

As would you to automatically brand his experience as narrow (in comparison to any other personal observation)...

Would it also be 'naive' to say that I thought that there were no diferrences between races, based on personal observation?

Arcade Fire · 1 Apr 2007 at 23:57

dmpoole said:
It even took a white man to do it better than any black - Eminem.

I'll acknowledge your superior knowledge of all things rock, but don't try to extend that knowledge into hip hop - it's just not becoming for a fifty year old white man (see, for example, this:

)

About the IQ test results, I'm not surprised in the slightest that a test devised by Westerners, and which Westerners have ample opportunity to practise, gives better scores to Westerners.

cleanbluesky said:
We are benchmarking them within our own system, they are free to create a system and benchmark us.

Obviously. But some people will draw the conclusion that East Asians and Europeans are more intelligent than other people: a hypothesis which this data doesn't support in the slightest.

Messiah Khan · 2 Apr 2007 at 00:05

Stretch said:
lol, are you serious. The Jewish religion has only existed for around 3500 years. Are you suggesting that in such a short period of time the Jewish people have evolved a higher level of intelligence?

Thats 100-150 Generations, which when under natural selection due to artificial means(ie, genocide) is plenty of time to develop slight traits. The amount of difference in intelligence being discussed here won't be a huge amount anyway. I would also suggest that nurture will have a lot to do with it as well as genetics.

Arcade Fire · 2 Apr 2007 at 00:10

messiah khan said:
Thats 100-150 Generations, which when under natural selection due to artificial means(ie, genocide) is plenty of time to develop slight traits.

No, it's not at all, because genocide won't exert any selection pressure. The killings of the holocaust were indiscriminate, and in any case 150 generations is not a long enough timespan for evolution to have any effect.

Any differences between us and our ancestors from 3000 years ago is purely down to diet, culture and improved healthcare.

Ak!ta · 2 Apr 2007 at 00:19

iCraig said:
Can't believe the score for Inuits. How did they even test them?

"What does this shape look like to you?"

Fish.

"Do you know who the first US President was?"

Fish.

"Do you know what element 'Cu' represents?

Fis...Ice.

Rofl's

starscream · 2 Apr 2007 at 00:23

cleanbluesky said:
As would you to automatically brand his experience as narrow (in comparison to any other personal observation)...

Would it also be 'naive' to say that I thought that there were no diferrences between races, based on personal observation?

Indeed. Hence why I would not try to extrapolate generalisations about people of different races based on my personal observations alone.

Nix · 2 Apr 2007 at 00:34

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_determinism

Knock yourself out. The point i'm making is that the supposed 'argument' here is old and worn out.

Don't use statistics to validate racism. I'm with Dmpoole on this, the statistics reflect something inherent in education and culture, not within races themselves.

zain · 2 Apr 2007 at 00:55

Why does everyone refer to Wikidpedia like it is 100% right or forms a reasonable argument?

Nix · 2 Apr 2007 at 01:00

zain said:
Why does everyone refer to Wikidpedia like it is 100% right or forms a reasonable argument?

Because it's easier then having to explain what environmental determinism is myself.

Do you have something to argue against that logic too?

zain · 2 Apr 2007 at 01:03

Nix said:
Because it's easier then having to explain what environmental determinism is myself.

Do you have something to argue against that logic too?

I might do if I look into it, there must be something arguable in the information. I just find the constant reference to Wikidpedia annoying, like it really is so accurate and great.

cleanbluesky · 2 Apr 2007 at 09:20

starscream said:
Indeed. Hence why I would not try to extrapolate generalisations about people of different races based on my personal observations alone.

So you haven't formed any opinions based on your observations?

D.P. · 2 Apr 2007 at 09:52

dmpoole said:
All that tells me is that East Asians and Europeans have a good education system and the rest of the world doesn't.

Theoretically, education has nothing to do with intelligence nor the measure of it with IQ tests.

What the graphs tell me is that there are problems measuring IQ with a singular test on multiple races. But as you can see that most of the races have a correlated IQ, between 70-110.

Of course, to be a real quotient, then the averaging should have been done for each race and the questions selected such that every race gets an exact average of 100. Because that is the purpose of the IQ test, the average for any persons of any age is 100. The fact that the averages for most races are not 100 indicates a problem.