Race report: 'UK not deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities'

Thats all well and good but defending the statues of slave traders and racists is not about burden of guilt is it? That looks like not only not giving a **** about what happened but also defending the person and actions.

While we dont lay a burden of guilt on modern day germans we do hold the Jewish people slightly higher because of what happened to them during the war. Isnt it the same sort of ****?

Who is this "we" you speak of, I couldn't care less who or what you are. It's not about defending a statue for what they did, its about remembering history and learning from it. If you eradicate and rewrite history how are you going to possibly learn from it and not repeat the same mistakes?

I am not going to apologise to anyone about the ancestors of my race, first of all its got nothing to do with me, neither did my parents or grand parents for that matter, slavery was abolished nearly 200 years ago, thats a good 5-6 generations ATLEAST.
 
What has this got to do with the report?

Besides it having sod all to do with the report or this thread it wouldnt take a genius to work out who is exploiting these people.
Modern slavery in all its aspects has everything to do with racism. Not systematic or institutional racism but criminal exploitation of minorities particularly young and less powerful minority groups for monetary or other gains, drug running and prostitution. Racism will never be reduced until criminal scum stop exploiting people in this way. This is absolutely socio-economic values in the gutter and people say it is nothing to do with what this report is concerned with.
 
That's what drives me nuts about the guilt tripping narrative. We don't lay a burden of guilt upon modern day Germans for the behaviour of the Nazis. It also makes no sense for modern day Brits to feel guilty for stuff that happened well over a hundred years ago. [..]

On top of that, it's lopsided. If I'm responsible for what some other people did before I was even born (which is an insane idea), I'm also responsible for what some other people did before I was born. Since I'm British, that means I'm responsible for ending slavery in almost all of the world. I also invented vaccination, powered machinery, antibiotics and a vast multitude of other things. Amazing!

The reason why the insane idea exists and why it's lopsided is the same - it's victim blaming in the service of irrational prejudice. Mostly racism with some degree of nationalism. People who are irrationally prejudiced against <insert group identity here> very often blame their target and will take any excuse, even downright insane ones, to do so. It's effective propaganda for promoting irrational prejudice and it makes them feel righteous. It's not new. For example, in medieval western Europe one way that anti-jewish racism was "justified" was by claiming that jews were guilty of murdering children. For ritual purposes, "obviously". Also "obviously", all jews were guilty. Belief in biological group identity is the belief that "they're all the same". That's why (in this example) anti-"white" racists blame "white" people today for things that happened even before they were born. When a person truly believes in biological group identity they reject or fail to understand the entire concept of an individual. To such people, there's no distinction between people who are dead, people who are alive and people who haven't yet been born - they're all the same.
 
Why is it that people on twitter say a lot, but provide no evidence?
Lol.

Each post in the thread looks linked to evidence.

:rolleyes:

It looks like it's just your blinkers getting in the way again.

:cry:
 
My observations suggest that, to woke types, equality isn’t reached by everyone being treated equally, it’s reached when whitey has been sufficiently punished for the sins of the father. Hence they’re constantly reverting to slavery and colonialism.

It's because equality of opportunity is not what they're after, they want equality of outcome and the only way you're going to get that is if you have some top-down authority pulling the strings and hyper-regulating everybody's lives. It's ultimately just about control and power, the road to totalitarianism. Remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The climate change and environmental movements have become much the same, those pushing aren't interested in solutions that work from the bottom-up with people being individually responsible, they want a top-down model where everybody has to do or else.

They also want people in the mindset of seeing themselves as a group identity, rather than a unique individual. Which is why they're constantly telling people they're guilty for something that someone else like them did. It's collectivism and collectivist countries all have strong central governments, some of the worst governments in recent history have been collectivist (Nazi's/Soviet's/Mao), people just become mindless followers and end up following into doing awful things.
 
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What the hell has drugs got to do with the Race report?
You post was full of "maybe" "Not possible" no data what so ever.
Oh dear. How quickly you went from confident assertion to now insisting that parts of the report are nothing to do with the report.
 
Oh dear. How quickly you went from confident assertion to now insisting that parts of the report are nothing to do with the report.


For the last time.
Show me data. No data no point in shouting about something.
I still can't find "Drugs" in the race report.
 
It's because equality of opportunity is not what they're after, they want equality of outcome and the only way you're going to get that is if you have some top-down authority pulling the strings and hyper-regulating everybody's lives. It's ultimately just about control and power, the road to totalitarianism. Remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The climate change and environmental movements have become much the same, those pushing aren't interested in solutions that work from the bottom-up with people being individually responsible, they want a top-down model where everybody has to do or else.

They also want people in the mindset of seeing themselves as a group identity, rather than a unique individual. Which is why they're constantly telling people they're guilty for something that someone else like them did. It's collectivism and collectivist countries all have strong central governments, some of the worst governments in recent history have been collectivist (Nazi's/Soviet's/Mao), people just become mindless followers and end up following into doing awful things.

To be honest, you can't even have real equality of opportunity without significant undesirable authoritarianism either, because without removing parents/surrounding support structures and so on from the equation completely, you'll never achieve it, and it's not just about wealth.

The school closures for covid have really brought this into sharp focus by amplifying the impact, both positive and negative, of the home environment.
 
To be honest, you can't even have real equality of opportunity without significant undesirable authoritarianism either, because without removing parents/surrounding support structures and so on from the equation completely, you'll never achieve it, and it's not just about wealth.

The school closures for covid have really brought this into sharp focus by amplifying the impact, both positive and negative, of the home environment.

Exactly with young poor white males being the lowest performing of all groups we need to rally round and make sure that we are funding the right people to make the biggest changes.
 
What the hell has drugs got to do with the Race report?
You post was full of "maybe" "Not possible" no data what so ever.

Page 161 British citizens of Pakistani heritage form 27% of convictions for possession or intent to supply class A drugs in the Yorkshire and Humber area.

Read the report first.
 
I dont know about any one else but if I had running man agreeing with my posts in a race thread Id have to think about what I was writing.

Anyway this little snippet sums up this whole mess.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-trap-britain-government-institutional-racism
The public discussion about racism in Britain today has become hopelessly binary. The starting point is always some variation of “is Britain racist?”. It is a question that sifts respondents into two camps. There is no way to answer such an inquiry that does not elide a lot of the truth, both about the pervasiveness of racism in Britain today and the clear progress the country has made. With that nuance absent from “yes” and “no” responses, each party is angered further and fuel added to the flames. This is where we stand in the UK today, trapped by a futile framing of the problem, farcically yelling at each other like pantomime audiences.

This is the result of years of work by the right to smear anti-racist positions. When we talk about racism today, what we are unwittingly doing is subjecting ourselves to a loyalty test. Pointing out that Britain is racist becomes not an observation about the facts, but a choice to undermine a well-meaning country doing its best. It is “doing Britain down”, aggressive, transgressive, a declaration of war against the country and its fine people. Thus the attempt to discuss racism becomes about everything except racism itself, reduced to merely a tool to distinguish between saboteurs and supporters.

This is an environment in which much political capital can be made. Last week’s government report on racial disparities in the UK was a clear example of using binary framing to appeal to one camp and admonish another. The report looked into institutional racism and effectively declared that it did not exist. Britain was given a pass. The report provided a sort of manual, a primer on arguments and rhetoric to be used to dismiss allegations of structural racism. It paints these as the feverish imaginings of a militant, entitled group of people who are desperate to hang on to victimhood when none exists any more. Instead we should look to “geography, family influence, socio-economic background, and culture and religion” as reasons for racial disparity. The report was accompanied by staggeringly sweeping statements such as “well-meaning ‘idealism’ of many young people who claim the country is still institutionally racist is not borne out by evidence”. Yet the evidence is there, in the arrests of black men, the mortality rate of black women in childbirth, the death toll of the pandemic. But in the complex interplay of race and other factors, the government’s race commission emphasises only what it wants us to see. But there I go, doing Britain down again.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts, as the saying goes. But it seems this government has done its best to privilege some facts over others. It appointed commissioners, some of whom have clearly expressed disdain for the concept of institutional racism, to oversee a report into institutional racism. It therefore feels inevitable that claims of institutional racism were found to be “not borne out by evidence”, even when details in the report itself contradict that idea.

Make no mistake: this wasn’t incompetence or clumsiness. The backlash to the report’s findings is not an unforeseen or unintended consequence. In fact it is intended to bear out one of the themes of the report – the idea that there will always be those who “absorb a fatalistic narrative that says the deck is permanently stacked against them” and resist telling the “story of our country’s progress to a successful multicultural community – a beacon to the rest of Europe and the world”. In the government’s framing of this issue, the angry play an important role. They are the problem, not racism.
On top of that, it's lopsided. If I'm responsible for what some other people did before I was even born (which is an insane idea), I'm also responsible for what some other people did before I was born. Since I'm British, that means I'm responsible for ending slavery in almost all of the world. I also invented vaccination, powered machinery, antibiotics and a vast multitude of other things. Amazing!
You arent responable for the past, just the present and future..

Unless you have already done some terrible things in the past of course.
 
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