Race report: 'UK not deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities'

Stumble Bum said:
Do you not even read your own links? How can anyone read that well written statement following recent comments since the report's release and come out with the comment you just have. As said before, you had already made your mind up on the report before you even read it, if you even bothered to? and you hate the fact it goes against everything you believe so you will post any link you can to try and undermine it.
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By his own admission he's a "low effort" troll. He's just here to get a rise out of people.

Best not to engage (unless you're really bored).
 
Oh look its hurf to spam a load of links to activist organisations and unions I bet none of their positions will found to be wanting now will they.....

hurfdurf said:
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Let start with Mind shall we... and lets read on where they provide their 'evidence' for their assertion that there is 'institutional racism' in the UK....


So Black people are more likely to be sectioned than whites eh... must by systemic and or institutional racism right?

But when you look at the actual figures for all ethnicities you find so things that don't match up with the narrative.. for example that the figures for Indian people sectioned per capita are very close to white British (71.9 vs 70.4 per 100,000 people respectively in 2019/20) and Chinese people are far less likely to be sectioned that whites (54.1 vs 70.4 per 100,000 people respectively in 2019/20).

You also find that black people are quite significantly overrepresented as employees in NHS mental health services...

As with other areas of social work, Asian people (5%) were underrepresented in the NHS mental health workforce compared with the English and Welsh population as a whole (8%). The equivalent figure for children’s services and adults’ services was 6%.

And while Black or Black British practitioners (9%) were overrepresented in NHS mental health services compared with the population (3%), the was below the proportions for social workers in council children’s (12%) and adults’ services (15%).
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What sort of strange systemic and or institutional racism is present in the mental health services where Indians have similar figures to whites, Chinese people do much better that either Whites or Indians but yet black people are being subject to systemic and or institutional racism by an organisation where black people are massively overrepresented in the workforce???


Its funny that Mind should be implying that the government commissioned report lacks rigour because their argument for systemic and or institutional racism seems to rather lack substance itself!


Anyway moving on...

hurfdurf said:

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Are you really going to quote two unions when unions have a vested interested in promoting disharmony and disagreement between their members and their members employers?

hurfdurf said:
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Another advocacy group for NHS trusts this time who perpetuate victim culture amongst non whites by suggesting they view often quite innocuous actions and words as racist 'micro aggressions'


and who probably find arguing for the existence of 'structural discrimination' (and for increased resources to tackle it) is a good way to try and secure more money from the government for the NHS trusts they represent.



and finally we have the British Psychological Society...

hurfdurf said:
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I thought I remembered hearing about that organisation from a bit of social media uproar last year...

It turns out one of their former members wrote a letter outlining why they left the organisation, this was initially published by the BPS who then rescinded it at the same time as they tacitly, and it would appear baselessly, accused the author or racism after a social media pile on because the letter apparently upset a lot of people by suggesting that adopting a subjective and ill defined principles like 'social justice' might not be a good idea for a professional organisation.

Needless to say the BPS, like many professional and public organisations in the west, are fully captured by the cult of social justice complete with the requirements for its (non 'BAME') members to need to seek atonement for their alleged original sins and by using gaslighting terms like 'white fragility' to tackle those pesky enough not to just roll over and take their punishment when accused of their (collective and intergenerational) crimes ...

Research highlights that how organisations respond to large-scale diversity-related events receiving media coverage can have an impact on psychological safety at work. If organisations do not handle these well, they can contribute to level of threat and mistrust of institutions of authority amongst BAME people.

* PSYCHOLOGICAL SAFETY

Offer physical and psychological safety: It is important not to keep silent, act defensively and overgeneralise. Avoid adopting strategic colourblindness due to the fear of being seen as prejudiced and be aware of white fragility.
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Still it's not surprising that they have been swayed by the cult of social justice when they put out official statements quoting professional and well paid grievance grifters like Ibram X. Kendi ...

In the words of Ibram X. Kendi, “The opposite of racism isn’t “not racist” it is anti-racist”.
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If you are not familiar with Kendi's work and what 'anti-racist' actually means then read his book where he outlines how he's a shameless advocate for racial discrimination in the present and future

The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.
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Yes all very compelling (sarcasm)
 
hurfdurf said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-commission-on-race-and-ethnic-disparities-statement

TLDR - we didn’t think we would get peer reviewed.
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We've done this before, I said you don't read the things you're talking about. Yet again you're not reading but managing to get out an incorrect statement about it.

TLDR is along the lines of:

Lots of people are talking garbage about the report to get publicity safe in the knowledge that their twitter post is less effort to read than the 258 page document they're lying about.

And you, you've additionally been collecting those tweets as if they were gold.
 
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Caracus2k said:
Oh look its hurf to spam a load of links to activist organisations and unions I bet none of their positions will found to be wanting now will they.....



Let start with Mind shall we... and lets read on where they provide their 'evidence' for their assertion that there is 'institutional racism' in the UK....


So Black people are more likely to be sectioned than whites eh... must by systemic and or institutional racism right?

But when you look at the actual figures for all ethnicities you find so things that don't match up with the narrative.. for example that the figures for Indian people sectioned per capita are very close to white British (71.9 vs 70.4 per 100,000 people respectively in 2019/20) and Chinese people are far less likely to be sectioned that whites (54.1 vs 70.4 per 100,000 people respectively in 2019/20).

You also find that black people are quite significantly overrepresented as employees in NHS mental health services...



What sort of strange systemic and or institutional racism is present in the mental health services where Indians have similar figures to whites, Chinese people do much better that either Whites or Indians but yet black people are being subject to systemic and or institutional racism by an organisation where black people are massively overrepresented in the workforce???


Its funny that Mind should be implying that the government commissioned report lacks rigour because their argument for systemic and or institutional racism seems to rather lack substance itself!


Anyway moving on...



Are you really going to quote two unions when unions have a vested interested in promoting disharmony and disagreement between their members and their members employers?



Another advocacy group for NHS trusts this time who perpetuate victim culture amongst non whites by suggesting they view often quite innocuous actions and words as racist 'micro aggressions'


and who probably find arguing for the existence of 'structural discrimination' (and for increased resources to tackle it) is a good way to try and secure more money from the government for the NHS trusts they represent.



and finally we have the British Psychological Society...



I thought I remembered hearing about that organisation from a bit of social media uproar last year...

It turns out one of their former members wrote a letter outlining why they left the organisation, this was initially published by the BPS who then rescinded it at the same time as they tacitly, and it would appear baselessly, accused the author or racism after a social media pile on because the letter apparently upset a lot of people by suggesting that adopting a subjective and ill defined principles like 'social justice' might not be a good idea for a professional organisation.

Needless to say the BPS, like many professional and public organisations in the west, are fully captured by the cult of social justice complete with the requirements for its (non 'BAME') members to need to seek atonement for their alleged original sins and by using gaslighting terms like 'white fragility' to tackle those pesky enough not to just roll over and take their punishment when accused of their (collective and intergenerational) crimes ...



Still it's not surprising that they have been swayed by the cult of social justice when they put out official statements quoting professional and well paid grievance grifters like Ibram X. Kendi ...



If you are not familiar with Kendi's work and what 'anti-racist' actually means then read his book where he outlines how he's a shameless advocate for racial discrimination in the present and future




Yes all very compelling (sarcasm)
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Good post.
 
I read an interesting take on this by a Tory, that it is all just a ruse or a hand out to the people that complain about BLM and those that think equality has gone too far, to make the woking class and the red wall feel like they were are right all along backing the Tories and their war on woke.

Its to get the 'woke' brigade to try to point out how ridiculous the report was and to give fuel to people like the fine people of GD to say look we told you all along it wasnt racism, its because they are lazy and criminaly minded.

The 'war on woke' is the new 'alarm clock britian', the new 'just about managing' ruse to get people to turn away from the hall of mirrors and make them look at the new 'ghost train' instead.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...mer-yet-many-dont-fancy-their-own-boss-either
The Northern Research Group doesn’t just ask Johnson for money: it also tells him he needs to speak to the longing for a sense of identity that many red wall voters have. And perhaps that was one of the ingredients in last week’s row about the report published by the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities. One northern MP observes: “This was one of those issues that has been heightened by the red wall/blue wall situation that we have. This sort of thing is very popular, which is why ministers are always giving interviews in front of flags and threatening 10-year prison sentences for insulting statues.”

Some Conservatives think the way the report was briefed, with a short summary released under strict embargo to reporters well before its detail was published, was inept. But most argue that this was a deliberate strategy from No 10 to ensure there was a drawn-out row about its conclusions. The bigger and longer the row, the more the voters who would agree with the conclusion that Britain is no longer institutionally racist will notice.

This wasn’t the main aim behind the CRED report, though. It came from a belief, strongly held by figures such as the No 10 policy chief, Munira Mirza, and minister Kemi Badenoch, that the only way to make genuine progress on racial equality is to go on a clear offensive against the shibboleths of the left. They are happy to have this period of fighting – characterised as the “war on woke” – in the hope it will enable the government to really move on, rather than endlessly getting stuck in the weeds on ground held by the left.
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The war on the woke is at least 5 years overdue, if it needs government intervention then so be it. I just don't rate our governments chances against what appears to be 99% of private corporations including the social media giants and presumably foreign actors who see wokeness as a very effective way to sow chaos and division in the west.

It wouldn't be so bad if a lot of the 'woke' corporations pushing these divisive campaigns actually held those beliefs but a lot of them are happily still exploiting slave labour in places like China.
 
Skunkworks said:
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Lol if you think, for instance, that because Indian people are sectioned the same amount white people are, it’s therefore not an issue what happens to black people... is a counter argument to Mind. That’s surely some big brained stuff and should totally be bought up as to why Mind are wrong.
 
mmj_uk said:
The war on the woke is at least 5 years overdue, if it needs government intervention then so be it. I just don't rate our governments chances against what appears to be 99% of private corporations including the social media giants and presumably foreign actors who see wokeness as a very effective way to sow chaos and division in the west.

It wouldn't be so bad if a lot of the 'woke' corporations pushing these divisive campaigns actually held those beliefs but a lot of them are happily still exploiting slave labour in places like China.
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Well if they stopped trying to pass off lies and deflection as truth they might actually get somewhere, instead of just trying to rile up people like you and other anti woke activists.

The anti woke lot are creating an even bigger problem based on lies and prejudice that people like you mainline into your brain without actually thinking about first.
 
Hotwired said:
Caracus2k made a large post about the quality of the tweets you've been posting, is that the only thing you can reply against.
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It is a reply to that, it takes a massive post, picks the first section, and shows how stupid it is. If the first bit is that stupid, the rest of it will be as well. 0 credibility.

I’m not putting effort into my posts and it’s genuinely entertaining that people are and still failing to rebuke me
 
mmj_uk said:
The war on the woke is at least 5 years overdue, if it needs government intervention then so be it. I just don't rate our governments chances against what appears to be 99% of private corporations including the social media giants and presumably foreign actors who see wokeness as a very effective way to sow chaos and division in the west.

It wouldn't be so bad if a lot of the 'woke' corporations pushing these divisive campaigns actually held those beliefs but a lot of them are happily still exploiting slave labour in places like China.
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It’s not just your government we are after, us woke warriors are coming for you and your families. Your only defence is to post more scared drivel on forums such as this.
 
hurfdurf said:
Lol if you think, for instance, that because Indian people are sectioned the same amount white people are, it’s therefore not an issue what happens to black people... is a counter argument to Mind. That’s surely some big brained stuff and should totally be bought up as to why Mind are wrong.
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Why conclude that it is due to racism and not for example- drugs, diet, deficiencies etc?

This report does not state that there is no racism - it just points out that every ill is not due to it - supported by facts.


Its no coincidence that the race bait grifters have been havering and spouting manic drivel; instead of reading the report and discussing it with some honesty - they went full fascist and attacked the authors.
 
mburn_83 said:
Why conclude that it is due to racism and not for example- drugs, diet, deficiencies etc?

This report does not state that there is no racism - it just points out that every ill is not due to it - supported by facts.


Its no coincidence that the race bait grifters have been havering and spouting manic drivel; instead of reading the report and discussing it with some honesty - they went full fascist and attacked the authors.
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What the report did was say its down to the indivuals of the race and not their interactions with institutions. Which is how they claim there isnt any new evidence of structal racism because they didnt look at the evidence being presented to them by the bodies they asked to give them evidence.

Everyday more and more things are being brought out about the failings of the report and all people like you can do is blame the people that had given evidence that was ignored and cast aside.

You have basicaly fallen for the 'Its magic' excuse.
 
Tony Edwards said:
What the report did was say its down to the indivuals of the race and not their interactions with institutions. Which is how they claim there isnt any new evidence of structal racism because they didnt look at the evidence being presented to them by the bodies they asked to give them evidence.

Everyday more and more things are being brought out about the failings of the report and all people like you can do is blame the people that had given evidence that was ignored and cast aside.

You have basicaly fallen for the 'Its magic' excuse.
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Your post is no less dishonest than his.

There is no evidence in the report that they discarded or ignored evidence provided, they just factored in all the evidence available.

Ironically, you are demanding the report do exactly what you accuse it of doing, namely taking a subset of evidence and treating it as the whole truth.
 
hurfdurf said:
It is a reply to that, it takes a massive post, picks the first section, and shows how stupid it is. If the first bit is that stupid, the rest of it will be as well. 0 credibility.

I’m not putting effort into my posts and it’s genuinely entertaining that people are and still failing to rebuke me
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You're doing what the tweets are doing that you like to post.

Tweets of a handful of words stating a 258 page report is enormously wrong because they don't agree on X point out of the thousands of points in the report.

Retweeter imitates tweeter.

I cant recall the last time you posted something which wasn't someone else's opinion.
 
hurfdurf said:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...ay-their-advice-ignored-in-no-10s-race-report

It’s getting worse and worse...
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The Guardian....

The usual drivel from you. Unable to form a coherent argument yourself you rely on soley pasting stuff from sources that fit your narrative.

the group submitted 11 evidence-based recommendations over 14 pages, emphasising the need for greater access to capital for aspiring and existing minority ethnic entrepreneurs, embedded institutional support and mandatory reporting by employers on ethnic pay gaps.
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So a group of people that wants special treatment for minorities (that what 'embedded institutional support and 'greater access to capital for minorities' means) disagrees with a report that undermines their whole position.


Colour me surprised

You seen unable to comprehend quite how many people have vested interest in promoting disharmony and division.

The government's report may be lacking in rigour bit this isn't mutually exclusive with the arguments from the other side being shown to be nonsense.
 
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