Same in Turkey. Wherever you go, red flags. You can't look in any direction without seeing them. It's cultural, not national. People here are learning to be ashamed. Patriotism is positive, not negative. Love your country, work for it, and you work for each other. It shouldn't be about "it doesn't represent me".
Race report: 'UK not deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities'
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Same in Turkey. Wherever you go, red flags. You can't look in any direction without seeing them. It's cultural, not national. People here are learning to be ashamed. Patriotism is positive, not negative. Love your country, work for it, and you work for each other. It shouldn't be about "it doesn't represent me".
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Just saying..
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I'm not sure how this relates to the post of mine you're responding to.
But, anyway, tell me more about how this is a situation in which another country is telling our entire country we're not allowed to fly their flag? That seems like a complete strawman version of the events that have actually been referenced.
Putting that flawed premise to one side, it seems like you're asserting that we should be emulating Iran and Pakistan and their approach to matters like this. What's wrong with our own traditional UK approach? Why so keen to adopt theirs instead?
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All countries should be able to fly their own flag.
I mean we might dislike some countries like Russia but I dont think anyone would begrudge them flying it.
The union jack symbolises Britain, an enlightened free country so for school pupils to graffiti the school and demand its removal is startling and shows a distinct lack of respect and affinity for their
country.
Remember, its not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
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Is there a reason you're ignoring the other issue at Pimlico Academy?
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Its kinda universal.
A lot of people sit there, hands out asking the country to provide for their lives rather than working towards a collective good for the future.
That's the difference between people on the right and left. The left enjoy feeling like they're safe and protected by the government, they don't mind paying higher taxes because it's worth it for them feel safe in the knowledge that they're going to be ok because there's an overarching structure looking after them. Most people on the right feel that ultimately they are responsible for themselves and their family.
Today there's too many people demanding the government do X and Y for them, but they don't necessarily do enough for themselves, and they certainly don't ask what they can do for their country, or their wider community.
'It's not bad when people I Iike do it'
And the UK is a Union of four countries.
Given the amount of throbbers on social media with EU flags in their bios who insist they are 'European' and not British/ English and the amount of people that have drapped themselves in the EU flag comparisons are totally valid.
Mention of the McPherson report and Stephen Lawrence always makes me think how effective the racial grievance industry is.
In this UK case certain people in power I suspect can't believe their luck that the outrage focus was and remains on the supposed and very nebulous concept of 'insitituionalised racism' in public institutions and not on the fact that the initial investigating police officers had connections with the organised criminal families that some of those accused came from and as such might just of deliberately sabotaged the case.
I'd take vague allegations of systemic prejudice over allegations of organised and serious police corruption if I was in their position aswell.
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Yep I'm in exactly the same situation. I really don't like the divisive direction things are heading in socially - I think it'll make for a very unhappy society and I'll hopefully be dead before the lunatics are in complete control of the asylum.
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Can anyone name countries in the EU less racist than the UK?
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The least racist is still racist.
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Maybe our government could commission a report and follow the advice of experts in that field then?
Oh wait no we did that...
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But I mean if every country is racist then singling out the uk and denouncing the union jack while not challenging the EU flag or other flags, is that not hypocritical?
I mean if we looked at the uk vs say,Pakistan or Africa for example im pretty sure we would come out top on virtually every point such as:
Sexism
Racist
Overall equality and quality of life
So why are these ethnic students resenting the union jack? We live on a world by comparison not absolutes. So where would they feel more comfortable?
I don't know why you're banging on about the students so much.
We regularly have a thread in this forum where lots of posters are not happy about the symbolism of private use of flags.
You don't become more british by waving a flag but some people believe grabbing the flag while saying anything whatsoever grants them patriotism points.
Heck, over in america they have flag idolatry greatly encouraged if not forced in schools. Doesn't seem to have any great benefit.
We regularly have a thread in this forum where lots of posters are not happy about the symbolism of private use of flags.
You don't become more british by waving a flag but some people believe grabbing the flag while saying anything whatsoever grants them patriotism points.
Heck, over in america they have flag idolatry greatly encouraged if not forced in schools. Doesn't seem to have any great benefit.
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When you say a person is tall, you're saying they're tall in comparison to other people. When you say a car is fast, you're saying it's fast in comparison to other cars.
You need to provide yardstick to quantify the claim. By the way, the utopia you've created in your head doesn't count.
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I'm just wondering if anyone asked the students, how well they are representing the UK.
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Are you referring to the current report this thread is about?
Or the 10+ previous reports over the last 20+ years that have been commissioned and already made recommendations that are repeated in this report?
Well there goes my response then...
I'm struggling to understand your point here. Why does it matter if the UK is the least racist or least sexist or whatever ist/ism? If there's still racism/sexism present and the people affected by it are complaining, what good is it to them to point out that the UK is the least whatever.
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The current report. What specifically about it do you disagree with and what specifically are you suggesting is implemented?
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Just like theistic gods, the woke god is designed to be unfalsifiable.
Your mind can't comprehend anything beyond binary?
Pretty well said.
I tend to be suspicious of politicians who suddenly decide they need to have a flag in the background or that the flag is sacred, especially when that same politician is going against the principles that flag is meant to embody.
I also especially love the way that in America they make a huge thing about not respecting the flag by following the "flag code", then go and break it in a dozen different and far worse ways (nothings says you respect the flag like using it as undies).