Race report: 'UK not deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities'

In respect of people not consulted, it’s most likely an administrative error or series of administrative errors as nobody would be so obtuse to deliberately list people that were not consulted.
 
Hotwired said:
Hardly lends weight and credibility if they deny it.

It's a high profile paper, it's bound to be examined. Now they need to examine why someone who says they shouldn't be was on it.
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Why else do it? Unless it was in error as Nitefly said above
 
Nitefly said:
In respect of people not consulted, it’s most likely an administrative error or series of administrative errors as nobody would be so obtuse to deliberately list people that were not consulted.
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They grey area will typically be that they were not consulted about the specific context in which they were interviewed. So their thoughts are probably in there, but they may not have been aligned to their use. Or given an opportunity to review what has been quoted from any discussion that took place.
 
Nitefly said:
In respect of people not consulted, it’s most likely an administrative error or series of administrative errors as nobody would be so obtuse to deliberately list people that were not consulted.
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But they have also ignored all the reports before this one. There is also stuff like this.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/03/3...e-and-driver-of-ethnic-disparities-in-health/
The 30-page section on health in the report claims to undo several decades of irrefutable peer-reviewed research evidence on ethnic disparities, previous governments’ reports, and independent reviews all reaching similar conclusions: ethnic minorities have the worst health outcomes on almost all health parameters. [1] The report’s conclusions, recommendations, and cherry-picked data to support a particular narrative shows why it should have been externally peer-reviewed by independent health experts and scientists. Furthermore, we would expect that a report with such lofty ambitions of presenting a “new race agenda” would have at least one health expert or a biomedical scientist on the commission. It included a space scientist, a retired diplomat, a politics graduate, a TV presenter and an English literature graduate, but no one with an academic background in health inequalities.

The report says that health data are inconsistent and incomplete, but still concludes that life expectancy is improving for ethnic minorities. This is not true. It cites two reports on life expectancy in Scotland where only 3% of UK ethnic minorities live. The Marmot Review in England (where 97% of ethnic minorities live) shows that health inequalities have widened overall, life expectancy has stalled, and the amount of time people spend in poor health has increased over the past decade. The situation is much worse for ethnic minority groups, who have higher rates of deprivation and poorer health outcomes. [7-12] The report’s data, which shows 26% lower life expectancy in Black and South Asian people compared to people with White ethnicities, does not support its own conclusions.

This report is a missed opportunity. It lacks the scientific credibility and authority to be used for major policy decisions. Its methodology and language, its lack of scientific expertise, and the well-known opinions of its authors make it more suitable as a political manifesto rather than an authoritative expert report. The new government approach on race, divorced from reality, fails to provide any solutions to ethnic disparities in health. Its attempts to undermine the well-established and evidence-based role of ethnicity on health outcomes will lead to a worsening of systemic inequalities putting more ethnic minority lives at risk.
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For certain upper class white people they find it easier to accept the discrimination of people of other races rather than accept the societal problem of class discrimination.

They also promote the racism of low expectation. Sadly a lot of self appointed race advisers play along with this narrative, which solves nothing.
 
Bear said:
Hotwired said:
Hardly lends weight and credibility if they deny it.

It's a high profile paper, it's bound to be examined. Now they need to examine why someone who says they shouldn't be was on it.
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Why else do it?
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I would imagine for the same reason people put diesel in their petrol car.

Why would they do that when it takes petrol? It clearly isn't going to get far. Now they need to get the issue fixed while everyone watches.
 
FoxEye said:
So what do you hope to achieve? If nothing, why do you spend so much time reading and posting here, when you have no regard for the viewpoints of most of us?
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Unlike some I put very little effort into my posts (apart from in motors or if I think someone genuinely needs help), and the output of this forum is interesting to examine how morons think from superior posting venues.

Hotwired said:
Pure degeneracy from a self proclaimed pedestal :cry:
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<3
 
Hotwired said:
I would imagine for the same reason people put diesel in their petrol car.

Why would they do that when it takes petrol? It clearly isn't going to get far. Now they need to get the issue fixed while everyone watches.
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True enough, I guess the phrase "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" comes to mind
 
VincentHanna said:
The far right aren't a problem here? Hmmm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56604470

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56414713
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Robi_uk said:
If only you could relay this message to the Far right brigade on here who think one nutty religious nutter equates to all following that religion being the same.
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Meanwhile in reality 5% of the population responsible for 95%+ of terror deaths in the last 20 years.

Terror deaths UK 2000 - present:

Islam: 84 (#NotAll bigot!)
All others: 3 (reeeeee far-right!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#2000s

The 2 of you (and the rest of the emotionals) are liars and/or gullible mugs.
 
BowdonUK said:
For certain upper class white people they find it easier to accept the discrimination of people of other races rather than accept the societal problem of class discrimination.

They also promote the racism of low expectation. Sadly a lot of self appointed race advisers play along with this narrative, which solves nothing.
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The same people are well aware of class discimination its the reason people are shocked by working class people vote Tory.

Most people that go on about racial disparity point out that most minorities are in the lower classes and that is the reason they can be held back due to goverenments not giving a toss about the working classes.

It makes me laugh and sad at the same time when people like me were complaining about the lack of support for the lower paid by the Tories were shouted down by the same people that now claim its not about race its about poverty. No **** Sherlock.

Anyone interesting in complaining about that? No? I didnt think so.
 
Skunkworks said:
The 2 of you (and the rest of the emotionals) are liars and/or gullible mugs.
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That's what all the conspiracy nuts say to anyone that does not believe them. Only they are awakened to the truth of the world, everyone else are gullible or liars. I wouldn't be surprised if you were to tell us the lizards in human guise are ruling the world next! :cry:
 
Skunkworks said:
Meanwhile in reality 5% of the population responsible for 95%+ of terror deaths in the last 20 years.

Terror deaths UK 2000 - present:

Islam: 84 (#NotAll bigot!)
All others: 3 (reeeeee far-right!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#2000s

The 2 of you (and the rest of the emotionals) are liars and/or gullible mugs.
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Thats a handy cut off date for you.
The 1999 London nail bombings were a series of bomb explosions in London, England, United Kingdom. Over three successive weekends between 17 and 30 April 1999, homemade nail bombs were detonated respectively in Brixton in South London; at Brick Lane, Spitalfields, in the East End; and at The Admiral Duncan pub in Soho in the West End. Each bomb contained up to 1,500 four-inch nails, in holdalls that were left in public spaces. The bombs killed three people, including a pregnant woman, and injured 140 people, four of whom lost limbs.

On 2 May 1999, the Metropolitan Police Anti-Terrorist Branch charged 22-year-old David Copeland with murder. Copeland, who became known as the "London nail bomber", was a Neo-Nazi militant and a former member of two far-right political groups, the British National Party and then the National Socialist Movement. The bombings were aimed at London's Black, Bengali and LGBT communities. Copeland was convicted of murder in 2000 and given six life sentences.


On 30 April 1999, a third nail bomb attack inside two weeks was carried out in London, killing three people and injuring dozens more. It was the final bombing by David Copeland, a self-confessed racist and homophobe.

Twenty years on from the explosion at the Admiral Duncan pub in Soho, those who were affected by the 22-year-old's campaign of hatred have been speaking about their experiences.

Forty-eight people were injured in the bombing, which was intended to target Brixton's black community. One of the victims was a one-year-old boy who was left with a nail lodged in his skull.

A week after the Brixton attack, the bomber who would later be identified as Copeland went on to target the centre of the capital's Bangladeshi community in Brick Lane, east London.

A stroke of good luck meant that a sports bag containing a second homemade device went off inside the boot of a car - a passerby had found it in the street and put it there for safe-keeping.

While he was away from the car, phoning the police about what he thought was lost property, the device exploded.

Copeland had actually intended to target Brick Lane's busy market day, which he thought was a Saturday. In the event, the street was much less crowded than it would have been had he left the bomb on the Sunday.

When Copeland was arrested a week later, police discovered a Nazi flag hanging on his bedroom wall along with clippings of the newspaper coverage of his attacks.

Mr Talukder was one of the people visible in the grisly collage on Copeland's wall.

"Within all these pictures, my picture was very prominent," Mr Talukder said.

"I stared at it and just thought 'oh my goodness'.

"It's still a nightmare."

The final bomb, containing 1,500 nails, went off on 30 April at the busy Admiral Duncan pub on Old Compton Street in Soho, central London, where the clientele was predominantly gay.

Andrea Dykes, 27, John Light, 32, and 31-year-old Nick Moore were killed in what proved to be the last attack of the two weeks of terror.

More than 70 people were injured in the blast, some of them very seriously.
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cheesyboy said:
In the four professional SMEs I've worked for, two routinely threw out CVs of anyone with a foreign name.
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I would again say that this isn't institutional racism. Now if they were to do that in the police, NHS, education sector, or very large listed companies, then yes. A privately owned SME isn't an institution.

cheesyboy said:
It is. Another academic named in the report, S I Martin, has also said they weren't consulted, and would have refused if they were asked.
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I bet they were consulted at some point during the process just not on the final version of the report. Now they are using it as an opportunity to play political football.

With all of this there will be people playing political football with it, not just the Government but the opposition and other parties too. They will all spin it to try and further their own agendas.
 
Skunkworks said:
Meanwhile in reality 5% of the population responsible for 95%+ of terror deaths in the last 20 years.
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That is not true.

The criminals who carry out those attacks, and those providing active assistance to them, are responsible. It is not the fault of "all muslims", "all Irish Republicans" or "all white people".
 
Skunkworks said:
Meanwhile in reality 5% of the population responsible for 95%+ of terror deaths in the last 20 years.

Terror deaths UK 2000 - present:

Islam: 84 (#NotAll bigot!)
All others: 3 (reeeeee far-right!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain#2000s

The 2 of you (and the rest of the emotionals) are liars and/or gullible mugs.
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Ps by your logic, assuming you are a white man, you are a Pedo?
According to government data between 2011 & 2016: 534 white offenders were convicted of indecent assault on under 16 victim. Same period 8 Asians were convicted of same offence.

Also 84 people do not equate to 5% of the population? I think you need to work on your maths skills.
 
Tony Edwards said:
But they have also ignored all the reports before this one. There is also stuff like this.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/03/3...e-and-driver-of-ethnic-disparities-in-health/
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Is that not partially linked to the proportional voluntary uptake of health care opportunities? We have a scenario at the moment where people are not opting to be vaccinated for cultural reasons.

I don’t doubt that there are going to be some legitimate disadvantages from a health care perspective.
 
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