Racist! Really?
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Soldato
You also said "Though she is oddly blonde - so, blonde-washing maybe?", so I told you to scroll up and look at a real image of her that shows she has a blonde pony tail in real life.
Shall I use bold text too?
The argument isn't case of "no it isn't" or "I can't see it", the argument is that it's just a caricature, like these:
And I've explained why I think it's not "just a caricature" and why it is dissimilar. If all you see is a caricature, you're missing the point(s) of the cartoon entirely surely.
Snooze.
Which is irrelevant to the cartoon other than it gives the cartoonist carte blanche to make her look less black.
Soldato
But you didn't tell me "to scroll up and look at a real image of her that shows she has a blonde pony tail in real life", you said:
I scrolled up, and there were two copies of the OP image, which is what I had posted about before
Maybe you should put the keyboard down fella, you seem to be getting a bit too excited now.
Soldato
Stop being butthurt, dude. Your pathetic attempt at lame dismissal just makes you look stupid.
Just accept that there's been a misunderstanding on both ends and leave it at that.
Just accept that there's been a misunderstanding on both ends and leave it at that.
Soldato
No, you've explained your interpretation and I've explained mine.
We just disagree, that's all.
Why is Osaka white with blonde hair?
Because the cartoon is about Williams, Not Osaka.
Foreground-Williams throwing a tantrum.
Background-Generic tennis player + Generic Umpire
Far background-Generic crowd.
(Or is the cartoonist "racist" because he didn't bother to include a range of skin tones for the generic crowd as well?? )
Just because you see it that way doesn't mean it was the artist's intention or that it's racist.
Soldato
Assuming that's a reply for me? If so - I did say step away from the keyboard, you've now gone and got yourself all flustered.
At a guess, my first post was ill timed - I expect if I read back through the entire thread, I'd find that you have been pretty vocal within this thread; and had taken my post in-turn with the rest, fair enough I suppose; but I did at least try to clarify that I was talking about the OP - by putting that in my post. I'd not read the entirety of this thread before posting, only the first few where they was a mention of white-washing, which I disagreed with (based on the OP image - which again I referenced in my first post) - hence wishing to post some input.
Anyway, I'll leave you to continue fuming over my "stupid" replies, have fun
I think he’s sexist, why not draw a man?
and saying 'i see it that way' also doesn't mean its actually there - it works both ways.
Yes, I agree. However, I've explained why I think it's there. There's some logic there. Just saying "no it's not" is fair enough, but it's not a counter argument.
It's similar to the argument I have with a relative about use of made up words in place of racist language. Using words that rhyme doesn't make it less racist. What's racist or not about the words themselves is irrelevant.
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When do we start discussing the artistic merits of "Jewish" noses and a certain parsimony shown in some other cartoons? Or blimps over London? If you've got a big nose, sticky out ears, a bizarre hair style, a fetish for orange hue make up, or thick lips and arms like a strongest man in the world competition, and become in the public eye, you can be sure a cartoonist will relish exaggerating them. Goes with the territory.
Soldato
Yeah, ok, I'm clearly fuming, and you're totally not the kind of guy that needs to try really hard with the snide dismisal crap to make yourself feel clever and salvage some pride.Assuming that's a reply for me? If so - I did say step away from the keyboard, you've now gone and got yourself all flustered.
At a guess, my first post was ill timed - I expect if I read back through the entire thread, I'd find that you have been pretty vocal within this thread; and had taken my post in-turn with the rest, fair enough I suppose; but I did at least try to clarify that I was talking about the OP - by putting that in my post. I'd not read the entirety of this thread before posting, only the first few where they was a mention of white-washing, which I disagreed with (based on the OP image - which again I referenced in my first post) - hence wishing to post some input.
Anyway, I'll leave you to continue fuming over my "stupid" replies, have fun
All I did was refer you to a pic I posted of her that shows she actually has blonde hair in real life, because you mentioned that she was oddly blonde in the cartoon.
You thought I was referring to the cartoon pic, not a real life one and confusion ensued.
Perhaps I should have linked directly to it, instead of simply telling you to scroll up. It would've saved us from all this nonsense.
Do you see the clear misunderstanding here?
None of this was necessary...
It's called context. It's not just the caricature that's the problem, it's the rest of it, what it alludes to and how it has similar features to commonly accepted racist tropes.
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OP is racist and is being racist towards racists calling him a racist, i'm sick of tired of racistception.
It needs to stop.
It needs to stop.
Are you blind to emojis? I would think the laughing emoji at the end somewhat shows how moved I am by it, just wondered why as it seems an odd choice to me. I can go hire a pitchfork if you'd like?
Soldato
I'd post some links but I'm on a work laptop and don't need that kind of heat. Effectively it was an art style from the 50's that exaggerated features like large lips darker skin tones, top knots, larger limbs etc. None of that is strictly speaking an issue, it's similar to the pictures you might get done at the seaside, however the style was generally used to depict black people as uneducated figures of fun or savages and it's those connotations that cause the issue. Think golliwogs or the crows from Disney's Dumbo.
I don't think the comic is purposefully aimed at overemphasising black people in PARTICULAR, I think the idea is it's just overemphasising features in general. People seem to be looking into it too much, and as soon as they're offended they pull out the racist card.
It seems to me as though it's just a little tongue and cheek aimed at exposing Serena's poor (and childish) behaviour. That should be the real story here. Can't be acting like that when you're a role model for so many people. If you play, you've got to be prepared to lose. Such is life.