Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

[Seanspeed]

Whatever mate. As we have clearly seen recently what the lack of competition from AMD does to prices from Nvidia, it would be pure blind fanboyism which leads to a monopoly in the gpu market.

Those who think consumers should not look at the bigger picture once in a while deserve the price hikes like those seen recently. I personally will not support companies that take advantage of such situations and abuse pricing like this.

It is in the interests of the consumer to make informed decisions. If Nvidia was in danger of dying then I would be supporting them when I can.

I have no problem with you buying on principle rather than what the best product is for you.

But DO NOT guilt somebody else for not doing the same. It has nothing to do with blind fanboyism. Consumers should be allowed to buy what they want, spend their money how they like, and not have asshats trying to tell them they are wrong, dumb or are a bad person for it(exceptions being proper moral issues like buying ivory or whatever).

And again, the context of the discussion was if Nvidia dropped prices. You would not be rewarding them for the high prices, you'd be rewarding them for dropping their prices. That sends the message, "Hey, I'll actually buy your product if you price it more reasonably", which is what we want, yea? But no, that is not good enough for some of you. For some of you, it is somehow our collective duty to prop up AMD and shun Nvidia. Seriously, if AMD brings out great products, they'll do fine. If the 480 is as good as some rumor it to be, it'll sell great. If you've got any confidence in them, then dont worry about it and leave people alone if they want to buy an Nvidia product instead.

 

[meldarthx]

I have no problem with you buying on principle rather than what the best product is for you.

But DO NOT guilt somebody else for not doing the same. It has nothing to do with blind fanboyism. Consumers should be allowed to buy what they want, spend their money how they like, and not have asshats trying to tell them they are wrong, dumb or are a bad person for it(exceptions being proper moral issues like buying ivory or whatever).

And again, the context of the discussion was if Nvidia dropped prices. You would not be rewarding them for the high prices, you'd be rewarding them for dropping their prices. That sends the message, "Hey, I'll actually buy your product if you price it more reasonably", which is what we want, yea? But no, that is not good enough for some of you. For some of you, it is somehow our collective duty to prop up AMD and shun Nvidia. Seriously, if AMD brings out great products, they'll do fine. If the 480 is as good as some rumor it to be, it'll sell great. If you've got any confidence in them, then dont worry about it and leave people alone if they want to buy an Nvidia product instead.

I have my own reasons to avoid Nvidia; as I've had to deal with them several times in business and each time was not pleasant at all - but even though I lean Red; I've recommended Nvidia for several people as they were completely set on that or it fit their needs.

If not I'll recommend AMD alterative - I won't guilt people as its their money; but I do try to give as much information as possible.

Now with Polaris I think AMD really has hit the sweet spot this time - should allow them to get quite a bit of market share back; they've slowly been clawing it back; but this will really pull some in.

 

[fs123]

I have no problem with you buying on principle rather than what the best product is for you.

But DO NOT guilt somebody else for not doing the same. It has nothing to do with blind fanboyism. Consumers should be allowed to buy what they want, spend their money how they like, and not have asshats trying to tell them they are wrong, dumb or are a bad person for it(exceptions being proper moral issues like buying ivory or whatever).

And again, the context of the discussion was if Nvidia dropped prices. You would not be rewarding them for the high prices, you'd be rewarding them for dropping their prices. That sends the message, "Hey, I'll actually buy your product if you price it more reasonably", which is what we want, yea? But no, that is not good enough for some of you. For some of you, it is somehow our collective duty to prop up AMD and shun Nvidia. Seriously, if AMD brings out great products, they'll do fine. If the 480 is as good as some rumor it to be, it'll sell great. If you've got any confidence in them, then dont worry about it and leave people alone if they want to buy an Nvidia product instead.

If you think it's a guilt trip then you have a problem with my opinion which shouldn't be the case unless you are biased.

People can buy what they want or even shill for Nvidia, etc but please don't be under the illusion that Nvidia should be rewarded and are great for lowering prices. If they were that good they wouldn't be bending your over now with the 1070/1080 prices.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So anybody wants to discuss the PCB leak or fight about whether they should get a GTX1070 or not?? Get what you want and please yourself.

 

[fs123]

So anybody wants to discuss the PCB leak or fight about whether they should get a GTX1070 or not?? Get what you want and please yourself.

The PCB looks around the same size as a nano. Imagine if AMD did another nano with the 14nm process With HBM it will be possible.

 

[drunkenmaster]

£210 is too much for the 4gig card. Needs to be <£200 by a good margin.

If the 8gb is £240, it needs to be a ton better than an 8gb 390, which is already available for £240.

Both 480 prices are a little too expensive if the rumoured perf is true.

Those aren't even the prices, those are the prices tacked on above a gt730, meaning they are listing it as £240+ price of gt730, which I have absolutely no idea what it is.

System builders, you don't pay the price of the card, you pay the price + cost to install + the rip off extra that makes being a system builder worth it. The prices will be significantly less than that.

Apple's lowest end AMD card which I frankly forget what it's called, like a sub 1000 shader part costs $499 more to get the model with it installed. If you go on Dell or anyone else's website adding a £200 card will add say £250-300 to the cost.

Pre-release prices consistently prove to be inaccurate, and then people scrounging up system builder add on prices which don't remotely reflect retail prices. But it's pretty simple, if they are massively price gouged, don't buy. I said the same thing for the 1080 and I'll say the same thing for this. However the RX 480/470/460 is likely to be very very widely available and outside of a few chancers trying to get some pre-orders at higher prices before launch I'm expecting pricing to be close to if not exactly where it really should be.

 

[Seanspeed]

If you think it's a guilt trip then you have a problem with my opinion which shouldn't be the case unless you are biased.

People can buy what they want or even shill for Nvidia, etc but please don't be under the illusion that Nvidia should be rewarded and are great for lowering prices. If they were that good they wouldn't be bending your over now with the 1070/1080 prices.

Please dont even try and fling out accusations of bias here. I'm not the one who cares what brand GPU somebody else spends their money on.

Either way, it's all business. I dont 'reward' companies. Companies are all just money-hungry entities that dont really care about you. I buy their products when I like what they have and feel it's worth the money. That's it. That's how consumerism is supposed to work. Dont get too caught up in any emotional investment with them, or try and do some nonsense painting of good and evil or whatever. They're corporations, not your friends.

 

[fs123]

Please dont even try and fling out accusations of bias here. I'm not the one who cares what brand GPU somebody else spends their money on.

Either way, it's all business. I dont 'reward' companies. Companies are all just money-hungry entities that dont really care about you. I buy their products when I like what they have and feel it's worth the money. That's it. That's how consumerism is supposed to work. Dont get too caught up in any emotional investment with them, or try and do some nonsense painting of good and evil or whatever. They're corporations, not your friends.

Corporations may not be your friends but some have a better attitude to their customers than others. Some take customers as fools when they market some of their products to be twice as fast as their previous top end card

 

[XeNoNF50]

Why? so you can buy a 1070? What a way to reward AMD for bringing competition.

Bravo. Spot on here!

 

[harney]

Please dont even try and fling out accusations of bias here. I'm not the one who cares what brand GPU somebody else spends their money on.

Either way, it's all business. I dont 'reward' companies. Companies are all just money-hungry entities that dont really care about you. I buy their products when I like what they have and feel it's worth the money. That's it. That's how consumerism is supposed to work. Dont get too caught up in any emotional investment with them, or try and do some nonsense painting of good and evil or whatever. They're corporations, not your friends.

Yes good point ....

 

[Seanspeed]

Corporations may not be your friends but some have a better attitude to their customers than others. Some take customers as fools when they market some of their products to be twice as fast as their previous top end card

Overclockers dream.

They all take advantage when they think they can(though that comment about Nvidia's claim is leaving out important context and you know it). AMD just happens to not be in the cat bird's seat. Dont think for a second they wouldn't do this more if they were in Nvidia's position, though.

 

[Scougar]

Overclockers dream.

They all take advantage when they think they can(though that comment about Nvidia's claim is leaving out important context and you know it). AMD just happens to not be in the cat bird's seat. Dont think for a second they wouldn't do this more if they were in Nvidia's position, though.

Seriously... ignore his comments. He acts so hardcore AMD you would think he has family working for them or something. Childish and toxic is his act, which is what we need a lot less of in the GPU section. And not, this is not me trolling him, this is just how he behaves.

Now, to be fair to AMD, (and I did use it myself) that was Overclockers dream stuff got outta control. But saying that, if a company thinks they can make money from you even at your expense, often they will do it. Whether it's Nvidia, AMD or a new player to the market. Money is money, and greed blinds.

I'm concerned that the prices keep seeming to get higher and higher everytime I come in this thread lol. I hope they don't try an charge too much for the 8GB version as that would really suck.

 

[Mauller]

The PCB looks around the same size as a nano. Imagine if AMD did another nano with the 14nm process With HBM it will be possible.

The card could be smaller than the nano I reckon, the only thing limiting board size Is the size of the interface this time.

 

[Seanspeed]

I would hope that the Nano-sized cards will become a trend. I just hope that they are better priced this time out.

I'm concerned that the prices keep seeming to get higher and higher everytime I come in this thread lol.

Prices and performance of the 480 seem to go up and down by the hour in here!

 

[Orcvader]

The card could be smaller than the nano I reckon, the only thing limiting board size Is the size of the interface this time.

Well, there's always PCIe x1... .

 

[bru]

Corporations may not be your friends but some have a better attitude to their customers than others. Some take customers as fools when they market some of their products to be twice as fast as their previous top end card

Just as some companies say 2.8 times the performance/watt with AMD technologies, which turns out to be versus a 'three' generation old product.(GCN 1.0 Pitcairn GPU)

Is it misleading, yes, untrue, well no, as it only has to be accurate in a single metric for the company to be correct in their statement, just as it is with NVidia and the twice as fast as a TitanX.

Both companies are happy to sing a line if it helps their marketing, regardless of how misleading it might be.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Those aren't even the prices, those are the prices tacked on above a gt730, meaning they are listing it as £240+ price of gt730, which I have absolutely no idea what it is.

System builders, you don't pay the price of the card, you pay the price + cost to install + the rip off extra that makes being a system builder worth it. The prices will be significantly less than that.

Apple's lowest end AMD card which I frankly forget what it's called, like a sub 1000 shader part costs $499 more to get the model with it installed. If you go on Dell or anyone else's website adding a £200 card will add say £250-300 to the cost.

Pre-release prices consistently prove to be inaccurate, and then people scrounging up system builder add on prices which don't remotely reflect retail prices. But it's pretty simple, if they are massively price gouged, don't buy. I said the same thing for the 1080 and I'll say the same thing for this. However the RX 480/470/460 is likely to be very very widely available and outside of a few chancers trying to get some pre-orders at higher prices before launch I'm expecting pricing to be close to if not exactly where it really should be.

The prices I quoted were including the £45 cost of the GT730!!

But you might have a point about ths system builder price,but we will soon find out!!

 

[fs123]

Seriously... ignore his comments. He acts so hardcore AMD you would think he has family working for them or something. Childish and toxic is his act, which is what we need a lot less of in the GPU section. And not, this is not me trolling him, this is just how he behaves.

Now, to be fair to AMD, (and I did use it myself) that was Overclockers dream stuff got outta control. But saying that, if a company thinks they can make money from you even at your expense, often they will do it. Whether it's Nvidia, AMD or a new player to the market. Money is money, and greed blinds.

I'm concerned that the prices keep seeming to get higher and higher everytime I come in this thread lol. I hope they don't try an charge too much for the 8GB version as that would really suck.

Where am I toxic? I prefer AMD and make no secret of it. I just don't like Nvidia's practices and how they treat their custmoers with contempt. I had a 970 on launch but the memory debacle showed how Nvidia totally turned a blind eye to the situation. Now we can see how they are bending people over with the 1070.

I don't go around Nvidia threads trolling like many do, so your post is totally unwarranted mate.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Just as some companies say 2.8 times the performance/watt with AMD technologies, which turns out to be versus a 'three' generation old product.(GCN 1.0 Pitcairn GPU)

Is it misleading, yes, untrue, well no, as it only has to be accurate in a single metric for the company to be correct in their statement, just as it is with NVidia and the twice as fast as a TitanX.

Both companies are happy to sing a line if it helps their marketing, regardless of how misleading it might be.

Why is it misleading - the R9 270X was one of the most efficient cards AMD made and the RX470 cards are replacing that series??

The R9 285, R9 380,R9 280 and R9 280X have worse performance per watt. This is why the Pitcairn GPU in the HD7870/R9 270 and HD7850/R7 265/R7 370 series has lasted so long in mobile too. Only the Fury range is better and is £350+ and not sub £200 like all of these cards.

This has been known for years.

 

[Starbukc]

The prices I quoted were including the £45 cost of the GT730!!

But you might have a point about ths system builder price,but we will soon find out!!

Simply adding on the price of a 730 might not be accurate. The prices of the 960 are (for 2/4GB) +192/229 for Asus, 195/215 for MSI. No way are they prices on top of a 730.