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Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

Just a few quick comments. 1) I think Gibbo was talking about OC 980ti, as that's pretty much what everyone does with it anyway. 2) Why does this not beating a 1070 suddenly mean this is at 290 levels? Pure overreaction to suggest it does.
 
Seanspeed said:
No, it wouldn't. Again, you're ignoring the possibility that this architecture is more geared towards low TDP than increasing performance.

Hell, it could turn out the new node process they're using just isn't great for high power and so this lower power direction was best suited for a new product line.

There's a whole lot of unknowns going into this new generation.
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the majority of enhancements added to GCN4/polaris are based around improving performance by enhancing shader utilisation.

And you completely glanced over where i compared performance metrics.

So for a 390 (steam vr 7 at 5.1Tflops) to get a higher score compared to an RX480 (apparent steam VR 6.3 at 5.8Tflops) then GCN will have had to have regressed in terms of performance. As i stated in the original comment.
 
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AlamoX said:
you know that what you are saying is nonesense ?
even if the RX 480 is only 390 performance which is not, it still took 380 price point and bumped up the performance by 40%.
Nvidia took the 980 price added 50$ and added 40% performance with 1070
and they took a 980Ti added 100$ and they added 20% performance
but on your planet one is perfect and the other is the ultimate deceiver
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The 8GB 480 will be £205-£215 ish.

The 380 price point is £180 odd.

Also nVidia is far from perfect. Just because I moan about a ***** AMD release, doesn't mean I think the sun shines (brightly) from nV's backside.

But I will strongly consider a 1060 if the price is right, and the perf is good. Ie, better than a bloody 290 :p If I wanted a 290 I'd have one already. Sheesh.
 
Mauller said:
the majority of enhancements added to GCN4/polaris are based around improving performance.
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No way to know this. All you've got is a few slides to base your comments on, but I'm not saying that they didn't want to have any performance-improving aspects at all. I'm saying the priority could have been low power use, which I could also draw up some AMD claims to support my side. It's not a black and white thing, but priorities could certainly have leant one way.

Mauller said:
And you completely glanced over where i compared performance metrics.
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I addressed that quite a while back, but in case you missed it - I'll do it again.

The SteamVR test is not like a normal benchmark where it scores based solely on average framerate. In VR, consistency of framerate is just as important, so the SteamVR test punishes for frames dropped below the acceptable level. Meaning that a card could have a very good average framerate, but still rate poorly because it wasn't delivering a consistent and smooth enough frametiming/framerate.
 
Seanspeed said:
The SteamVR test is not like a normal benchmark where it scores based solely on average framerate. In VR, consistency of framerate is just as important, so the SteamVR test punishes for frames dropped below the acceptable level. Meaning that a card could have a very good average framerate, but still rate poorly because it wasn't delivering a consistent and smooth enough frametiming/framerate.
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So you are essentially saying that a 2304@1266mhz (5.8Tflops) GCN4 part is worse performing than a 2560@1000mhz (5.1Tflops) GCN2 part?
 
FoxEye said:
The 8GB 480 will be £205-£215 ish.

The 380 price point is £180 odd.

Also nVidia is far from perfect. Just because I moan about a ***** AMD release, doesn't mean I think the sun shines (brightly) from nV's backside.

But I will strongly consider a 1060 if the price is right, and the perf is good. Ie, better than a bloody 290 :p If I wanted a 290 I'd have one already. Sheesh.
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the 4Go will be around 180£, if you want 8Go put an extra 20£, makes sense.
yes but we do not hear you talking about Nvidia's boycott
 
My GTX 980 G1 at 1580/8000 was easily 980 Ti reference speed.

Sold it a while ago for £350. Not sure what to get now. I'll probably wait till RX 480 reviews are out and decide on either 2x RX 480 or a GTX 1070 if prices have settled.
 
AlamoX said:
the 4Go will be around 180£, if you want 8Go put an extra 20£, makes sense.
yes but we do not hear you talking about Nvidia's boycott
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Moot point, because we've been told there will be hardly any 4gb cards for sale. Most will be 8gb.

So your choice really does boil down to 390 8gb @ £220-£240, or 480 8gb @ £205-£215.

And this is really the best AMD could do with a die shrink? Another 390?
 
Eiji said:
My GTX 980 G1 at 1580/8000 was easily 980 Ti reference speed.

Sold it a while ago for £350. Not sure what to get now. I'll probably wait till RX 480 reviews are out and decide on either 2x RX 480 or a GTX 1070 if prices have settled.
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Yeah, even my 970 isn't far off at 1500Mhz.

If the 480 can't touch that overclocked its a bit crap really.
 
Seanspeed said:
Read my comment again. If you need, I can explain more about how there's more to performance than just average framerate.
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I understand all of that, but you are still essentially saying that a GCN4 part with higher theoretical performance is worse than GCN2 part with less. if anything, that score could be due to early drivers or the part running at lower/stock clocks. we don't know since we don't have information on the presentation that was given with that slide. So i am going to leave the conversation there.
 
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Mauller said:
I understand all of that, but you are still essentially saying that GCN4 is worse than GCN2. if anything, that score could be due to early drivers or the part running at lower/stock clocks. we don't know since we don't have information on the presentation that was given with that slide. So i am going to leave the conversation there.
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Lets face it, Gibbo should know, the sooner we get AMD having any sort of competitive product come the 29'th out of our heads the sooner we can forget about them and move on to other things.
 
All the false dissapointment is getting a bit funny now - how about MOAR AMD IS DOOMED!!


The same posters overhyping it to massive levels and then trying to underhype it at the same time.

Then they twist what Gibbo said out of context,but not when Gibbo himself said he expects to sell loads of them,so he thinks it will be a decent improvement over current competing cards.

BUT,BUT,AMD IS DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!

LMAO.
 
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Gux said:
The simple fact that we are discussing if performance is at the similar level as 290/390 is shocking considering this is on a new node process.

Compare this disaster to the Nvidia 780 to 1080 performance improvements over the last 3 years.

If they can't get a solid 30%+ performance increase on the new node, then they should just pack their bags and leave this industry.

AMD is a total disaster this last decade.
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Lol what?

Compare each other to its predecessor.

1080 vs 980
42% more clocks, 25% more CUDA core, 25% more texturing units, 38% more transistorr. Gives +56% performance

If the 480 is around 390 performance then conparing to the 380: 30% more clocks, 28% more cores gives around 40-50% performance gain. If they are capable of higher clocks, they can stretch the difference further.

For me it seems AMD has the performance gains in the same ballpark as NV.
 
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Think the folks complaining about the RX480 are missing the point, the price is at a reasonable rate whilst needing less power which means a smaller power supply.

OK it's not high end but it makes sense they are going for the larger profit market of folks that more than likely need an upgrade. It's sounding like AMD have chips in the new playstation neo which is great if that is the case for AMD. I'm happy AMD have taken this move and will more than likely purchase a 480, the first AMD card I'll have purchased in well over a decade.

Fan boys will be fanboys but remember not having competition would be bad for us all.
 
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