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Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

Top preview, thanks. Seems like completely reasonable comments and expectations. Mass market 1080p gaming should be great, and fair to point out stability issues as you encounter them. Looking forward to seeing the full review and how the drivers progress.

Cheers and just waiting on the drivers before I do all my hard testing. Not sure if it something to do with my Mobo and CPU either, as they are both very new (6850K + Asus X99-A II), so might be that not playing nicely with the 480 . Time will tell :)
 
Dunno why they bother with vega if its that late coming since nvidias 1080 and soon titan version will probably be better than vega if not now then through drivers and heck even better cards out by then as the 16nm process matures i mean what will vega be compared/competing against when its out? As always tho AMD are late to the party. They really should try and skip a generation to close the gap or something.
 
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Dunno why they bother with vega if its that late since the 1080 and soon titan version will probably be better if not now then through drivers and heck even better cards out by then as the 16nm process matures. As always tho AMD are late to the party. They really should try and skip a generation to close the gap or something.

nothing of what you said made sense to me :D
 
They really should try and skip a generation to close the gap or something.

You can't just "skip a generation" - it's not an instant process to just scrap a design and start afresh on a new one. It takes time for chips to be designed, produced, tested, respun (if necessary), then made into actual products.

If you stop at any point in that process, then essentially you end up leaving your existing products in the market even longer (or have to do some short term damage control e.g. AMD 390 series essentially taking advantage of process maturity to provide higher clocked chips with no other changes).

It's the same reason why neither party can instantly counter product launches if they get their predictions wrong (and so end up dropping prices or paper launching products that aren't available for several months).
 
Dunno why they bother with vega if its that late coming since nvidias 1080 and soon titan version will probably be better than vega if not now then through drivers and heck even better cards out by then as the 16nm process matures i mean what will vega be compared/competing against when its out? As always tho AMD are late to the party. They really should try and skip a generation to close the gap or something.

You do realise that nvidia have publicly said that Their Tesla and Quadro cards aren't coming till the end of the year and the recent 'leaks' on Titan say they'll talk about it at something in August..... but will come after Quadro cards are available. Something people managed to miss is that puts Titan (if it's based on Gp100 and/or uses HBM2 as a Q1 2017 product at the earliest.

So what is the point of AMD launching their highest end card at the same time Nvidia launch theirs..... business I guess is the answer, common sense, not being stupid?

There seems to be a lot of confusion, the site that made the claims about a new Titan said Gp100 and Gp102 are the same, the latter just a new version using PCI-E instead of NVlink, but then it kept using only the GP100 codes when talking about times, that same info also contained the "coming after Quadro" mention. There are also other leaks that put GP102 as a closer 480mm^2 part and not at all simply a GP100 with pci-e.

If Nvidia bring a card sooner it could well be a smaller, SP shader only, smaller pci-e GP102 using gddr5x. If so that would be an interesting card.

There is likewise also a rumour that Vega 11(something ignored entirely by Fud) as possibly out this year. There are also many rumours that put Nvidia struggling badly for chips, though vague on the cause(to non subscribers). All we know is 1080 supply sucks, hard, there seems to be very little indication of big 1060 stock being available and more than a few rumours that GP106 is initially going to be a cut down PR stunt to hurt AMD involving only further cut down GP104s because GP106 isn't being mass produced yet. By the end of the year we'll know much of what is true. Currently we can see Nvidia are struggling for supply, if that continues or not is an unknown.

Lets say for arguments sake that Big titan based on GP100 with HBM2 was available in august, Volta isn't due till 2018. That means it will be sold for 18-28 months depending on when in 2018 Volta came out, so AMD shouldn't launch a card in Jan and be available for 12-22 months before Volta is due?

We already know what comes after Pascal Titan/1080ti, Volta, we know roughly when that is and yes if Vega comes out in early 2017 it will be competing with Titan/1080ti and nothing else newer.
 
Dunno why they bother with vega if its that late coming since nvidias 1080 and soon titan version will probably be better than vega if not now then through drivers and heck even better cards out by then as the 16nm process matures i mean what will vega be compared/competing against when its out? As always tho AMD are late to the party. They really should try and skip a generation to close the gap or something.

How do you know this isn't it? I mean, have you ever considered that Polaris maybe IS the 'skip'. They've skipped competing against Pascal and 1080 and instead released Polaris as a stop-gap, just so they can shift their full attention to Vega immediately. Possible? Maybe?

For all the fuss, Polaris seems to have been a small effort to close the gap with Maxwell in power consumption (which it does), introduce the 14nm process (which it has), and regain market share in the sector where bulk sales are made (remains to be seen, but looking good so far). Otherwise it doesn't offer much architecturally.

I mean sure, Polaris is not short of features (like HDR, H265, HDMI2.0), but it is quite modest in architectural improvements. Memory compression? We had that in Tonga already! The primitive discard accelerator and new command processor seem to be areas where AMD thought "ah, there's a place we can have a quick win with minimal effort" and went for it. So now NVidia can no longer use tricks like unreasonable tessellation to punish AMD performance. Big deal...

In fact the only significant change is the instruction pre-fetch and that's about it...

It's in the low/mid tier only because it's where consoles are, so AMD probably thought 'hey, we can do all this AND sell it to Sony and/or Microsoft' so it was fine for them. Nail two birds with one stone and all that...

I'm not bashing Polaris. I've bought a Polaris card and I think it's a really sweet deal. The features are there, the performance is good, the price is right.

But it looks like it's Vega that's probably THE bet for Radeon. And it's arriving BEFORE Volta...
 
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