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[h4rm0ny]

He'd be entirely justified in doing so if I was actually biased.

Still be generally unhelpful to debate though unless you were actually posting false or misleading information. I just think it has to be a pretty extreme case before it's worth actually calling someone out for it. Debates should be about the technologies, not the person.

Personally I have no problem with people being bias or championing a brand of their choice - infact I'd rather see a bit of passion/lively debate, though its a little sad when it goes to the extreme of empty headed cheerleading. What I find repulsive is when people spread information they plainly know enough about the subject that they know is incorrect but still propagate it because it either looks bad on the competition for whoever they support or mis-leads people towards false positive thinking about the brand they support.

You know, I actually agree with that. In rare cases, I suppose people championing their favourites can be refreshing. It's just that it so rarely stays there rather than becoming attacks on the 'opposing camp'. Like I have little problem with Ferrari's bonkers enthusiasm for all things AMD. I like the company myself and passion for new tech is why we SHOULD all be here. I just think when it leads to things like you shouldn't criticize a company if you want it to do well, it crosses into justifying misinformation.

 

[Ferrari100]

I'd rather have genuine negativity than faked positivity personally.

Fake positivity, hey?

Why would anyone be positive about something without wanting to be, unless carcasm?

 

[Seanspeed]

No, I believe you should push people to do better for themselves, in life generally.
Negativity is no good for anyone.
Do you want to be surrounded by negativity or positivity?

I am the last person on earth anybody would accuse of being a complainer or a whiner. I'm a pretty happy-go-lucky person, though that doesn't mean I'm incapable of being critical, I just try and be constructive about it rather than hateful.

But I also feel that attachment to corporate identities is a pretty sad state of affairs. These are gigantic businesses that have no purpose other than to make money off of us. Not that they are all 'greedy', I think most actually understand that a balance between customer satisfaction and profit is important to find, but make no mistake - any company that has shareholders is out to make money, first and foremost. And thus doesn't deserve any humanistic loyalty.

But of course you went and actually put your money into their coffers. Which has made you personally invested. I've got nothing to say about the wiseness of your investment, but from an ethical standpoint, it puts a question mark over everything you say as you have an obvious and even admitted agenda of promoting AMD. As I said before, it doesn't invalidate your views, but I would also never expect you to be the least bit critical of AMD, nor be fair to their competition.

 

[Ferrari100]

Still be generally unhelpful to debate though unless you were actually posting false or misleading information. I just think it has to be a pretty extreme case before it's worth actually calling someone out for it. Debates should be about the technologies, not the person.



You know, I actually agree with that. In rare cases, I suppose people championing their favourites can be refreshing. It's just that it so rarely stays there rather than becoming attacks on the 'opposing camp'. Like I have little problem with Ferrari's bonkers enthusiasm for all things AMD. I like the company myself and passion for new tech is why we SHOULD all be here. I just think when it leads to things like you shouldn't criticize a company if you want it to do well, it crosses into justifying misinformation.

I criticize AMD A LOT, trust me.
I was irritated they never put hdmi 2.0 on Fury GPU'S. I openly discussed it with people.


Criticism can be positive or negative. I try hard to not be negative about anything.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Think deeper about what I said and you might see a more thoughtful reasoning in that negativity is not good. Positivity pushes people forwards.

I do agree that positive bias can be much healthier than negative bias. For example, I have said I have a modest bias towards AMD for reasons given above. But it's a purchasing one. When it comes to online discussion, you will find a number of positive comments about AMD and far fewer towards Nvidia because I follow AMD news more closely. You will almost never find negative comments from me about Nvidia products though (and if you do, it's likely to be purely about pricing) because I am an engineer myself and I know how complex this technology is. I don't want to criticize anyone's genuine efforts and hard work.

So to take your comment above, do I think it is more constructive and better to manifest a bias as selectively saying positive things (even if it's just due to being more informed about something) than it is to selectively say negative things? Yes. Actually in so far as that I do agree with you.

But both approaches are bias. I'm not actually criticizing you for bias. At least not much and Rroff's post has persuaded me further on that point. Just for the implication you made that if someone is in favour of market competition they should be making positive comments even though they may actually be critical.

You know what, after writing all that, I think you're just mostly a ridiculously enthusiastic person and I'm actually okay with that. But that shouldn't overflow into attacking other posters as biased because they aren't as gung-ho on something as you. I think you tend to see anyone not sharing your enthusiasm for AMD as opposed to AMD. That isn't so.

 

[Seanspeed]

Still be generally unhelpful to debate though unless you were actually posting false or misleading information. I just think it has to be a pretty extreme case before it's worth actually calling someone out for it. Debates should be about the technologies, not the person.

In an ideal world, sure. In reality, these sorts of 'rules' just mean the platform warriors learn to work within certain frameworks.

 

[five8five]

No, I believe you should push people to do better for themselves, in life generally.
Negativity is no good for anyone.
Do you want to be surrounded by negativity or positivity?

You're not making sense because you say absolutely nothing positive about Nvidia even though they've got the fastest single gpu card, the greater market share etc etc

 

[Ferrari100]

I am the last person on earth anybody would accuse of being a complainer or a whiner. I'm a pretty happy-go-lucky person, though that doesn't mean I'm incapable of being critical, I just try and be constructive about it rather than hateful.

But I also feel that attachment to corporate identities is a pretty sad state of affairs. These are gigantic businesses that have no purpose other than to make money off of us. Not that they are all 'greedy', I think most actually understand that a balance between customer satisfaction and profit is important to find, but make no mistake - any company that has shareholders is out to make money, first and foremost. And thus doesn't deserve any humanistic loyalty.

But of course you went and actually put your money into their coffers. Which has made you personally invested. I've got nothing to say about the wiseness of your investment, but from an ethical standpoint, it puts a question mark over everything you say as you have an obvious and even admitted agenda of promoting AMD. As I said before, it doesn't invalidate your views, but I would also never expect you to be the least bit critical of AMD, nor be fair to their competition.

I have repeatedly stated I have been passionate about AMD for a long time. Long before having a stake in them, but yet you refuse to drop it.
I am perfectly entitled to talk about my passion in this thread and I would be here shares or not.

 

[Ferrari100]

You're not making sense because you say absolutely nothing positive about Nvidia even though they've got the fastest single gpu card, the greater market share etc etc

I don't have to say anything positive about Nvidia.
I love my ABARTH 500, doesn't mean I have to talk positive about Golf GTI's does it?
I just don't talk about them at all unless someone else brings it into a conversation.

 

[Seanspeed]

I have repeatedly stated I have been passionate about AMD for a long time. I long before having a stake in them, but yet you refuse to drop it.
I am perfectly entitled to talk about my passion in this thread and I would be here shares or not.

The fact that you were 'passionate' before throwing money in their coffers does not make anything I'm saying less relevant. Quite the opposite.

And of course you're entitled to talk about your passion for AMD. But as many people seem to forget, having an opinion doesn't mean their opinion is 'protected'. It's a two way thing. You have a right to an opinion, but somebody else has an equal right to criticize your opinion.

 

[Colzy]

Came for interesting 480 news, got bitching between forum members. Come on guys. Is the thread dead before the hardware is even out?

 

[Seanspeed]

I don't have to say anything positive about Nvidia.

You dont have to, but the fact that you dont ever is justifiably suspicious.

Are YOU actually interested in good competition or do you just want AMD to do well no matter how the competition fares?

Came for interesting 480 news, got bitching between forum members. Come on guys. Is the thread dead before the hardware is even out?

We'll hopefully have some new threads for new news when it comes.

 

[Colzy]

You dont have to, but the fact that you dont ever is justifiably suspicious.

Are YOU actually interested in good competition or do you just want AMD to do well no matter how the competition fares?


We'll hopefully have some new threads for new news when it comes.

Oh right, carry on then have a personal thread for your little fight. My bad.

 

[Ferrari100]

You dont have to, but the fact that you dont ever is justifiably suspicious.

Are YOU actually interested in good competition or do you just want AMD to do well no matter how the competition fares?

Suspicious of what?

I also have shares in Intel and like some of their products too.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Oh right, carry on then have a personal thread for your little fight. My bad.

Yeah. I'm out of this conversation. Should not have barged into it. I'll shut up from here on.

 

[Armageus]

The arguing about petty things ("launch", tdp, driver improvements) and general jabs at each other needs to stop - if not I will get the mods to lock this until there is any news worth discussing.

 

[Panos]

I love my ABARTH 500, doesn't mean I have to talk positive about Golf GTI's does it?

Totally agree. I will love my Abarth Spider, and by saying that the Boxter S is overpriced and heavy GT not a sportscar, doesn't mean I wanted one but cannot afford it.

Same applies to the door stopper err GTX1080. Is overpriced, with weak IPC, relying on high clock speeds and heat.

 

[WYNIR0]

Feels Ironic that my one post in this thread (which was a joke) was deleted as not adding anything yet there's a tide of **** that's been allowed to remain. It amazes me that people can be soooooo sure of the performance of a card that they've not seen yet and are so keen to have a row about it. Ahh, the internet.

<Waits for this to be deleted also.>

 

[andybird123]

Suspicious of what?

I also have shares in Intel and like some of their products too.

The problem is, much like pottsey who tries to shoe horn IMG in to every conversation because he has shares in them, your credibility is now completely shot to pieces.

You claimed to be an independent tech enthusiast that wants to see AMD do well because of competiton and for ordinary consumers. You've now admitted you have a directly vested interest in talking up AMD products regardless of what the truth is. It completely colours any argument you try to make.

 

[Gregster]

The biggest problem with this thread is the news. We have seen a pre-release demo and that is it and we still have a couple of weeks before release. Nothing else is being said about the card, which makes for dull reading. What I find annoying is anything that isn't positive about AMD in this thread ends up with accusations of fanboy/troll and that just makes the thread look like a playground at primary school.

Hopefully we get some more info soon but in reality, this is going to be a long couple of weeks. Just try and be grown ups and stop with the silly accusations.