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Radeon VII

henson0115 said:
i didnt forget anything, i simply made a comment on the 56 and v7 i think your quoting the wrong post.
p.s we all knew from the get go that there's no real world performance difference between the 56 and 64.
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I was just pointing out an example like below, Vega 64 with 1812Mhz core scoring just under 300pts off the supposed 1800Mhz Radeon 7. Just doesnt seem right when its meant to be about 25% (?) faster than Vega 64, regardless of what the memory is clocked at.

I reckon that Radeon 7 core clock is only at around 1350Mhz.

Score 8603, GPU Vega64 @1812/1100, GFX Score 8436, CPU Score 9697, CPU 1800X @4.075, Post No.1098, AMDMatt - Link Drivers 17.10.1

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22617485

But like i said earlier, we dont know the clock speeds.





 
Scougar said:
Terrible advice if you want to ruin your PC with condensation. Was this sarcasm?
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Condensation needs very special conditions to occur. Where exactly did you find anything special in the aforementioned?
Did I tell you that I ruined at least a single PC with condensation? :eek:
 
Anandtech interviews Lisa Su:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13909/ces-2019-amd-ceo-dr-lisa-su

There is some stuff about RT in there.

Q: Can you give us a sense of what AMD is thinking about ray tracing or any future technologies? From my end, we're seeing the FPS wars go on and on, but it seems like at that point it doesn't matter in visual quality. In games, ray tracing could be bigger leap for some gamers. Where is AMD at this point in that?

LS: We spent a lot of time today talking about our vision on gaming. Our vision on gaming is very broad and we think about it across PCs, consoles, the cloud, and how we deliver content to all those places. I think ray tracing is an important technology, it's something that we're working on as well from both the hardware and software standpoint. I think the important thing though, and that's why we talk so much about the development community, is [that] technology for technologies sake is ok, [but] technology done together with partners and really getting the development community fully engaged I think is really important. You're going to see a lot more gaming discussion from us as we go through this year and into the future. We view it as a broad ecosystem, we don't focus on just taking one technology, but you need all of this stuff to really come together.

Q: NVIDIA has ray tracing, what has AMD?

LS: I'm not going to get into it tit for tat, that's just not my style so I'll tell you that. What I will say is [that] ray tracing is an important technology – it is one of [a number of] important technologies. There are lots of other important technologies you will hear more about, [as well as] what we're doing with ray tracing. We certainly have a lot going on both hardware and software as we bring up that entire ecosystem.

Q: I think it's fair to say that there has been some criticism of NVIDIA's approach because they've had the hardware support and a lot of software support to it. But with that, would it be fair to say that you are trying to reach more to bring it out while and to enable more of a unified ecosystem?

LS: I would say that we are deep in development, and that development is concurrent between hardware and software. That's the key, so what is the consumer going to see? The consumer doesn't see a lot of benefits today because the other parts of the ecosystem are not ready. I think [that] by the time that we talk more about ray tracing, the consumer is going to see the benefit.
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Davedree said:
As was Gp104, Gm204, Gk104, Gf114.
Let me guess you think rx580, gtx1060 is still mid range ?
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Are you genuinely telling me 1080Ti performance is mid range?

If they released TU104 as the highest chip they offered and it was the best performance chip on the planet, would it still only be mid range even though nothing was faster?

Yes RX590 and 1060 are mid range as they perform well at 1080p where the majority of gamers game now. Regardless of chip variant, regardless of codename, regardless of what they are holding back.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
Are you genuinely telling me 1080Ti performance is mid range?

If they released TU104 as the highest chip they offered and it was the best performance chip on the planet, would it still only be mid range even though nothing was faster?

Yes RX590 and 1060 are mid range as they perform well at 1080p where the majority of gamers game now. Regardless of chip variant, regardless of codename, regardless of what they are holding back.
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Tu104 (Rtx2080 is a die harvested chip, they still have room for an Rtx2085 with more shaders, rt cores and tensor cores.
Would it still be mid range? ok well let's go with with GK104, Going back to the Gtx680 in 2012 it was the highest performing part bar the 2x scale up of the Gtx690, In October2012 the 680mx laptop chip was produced using Gk104 aswell.
The next year Gk110 was released (Big Kepler), where did Gk104 end up rebadged as the Gtx770, and 780m, which put it in mid range tier.

Are you telling me that laptop chips shared with the desktop are High end?
If i'm so crazy to suggest what is really mid range, high end, why would Uncle Jim ramble on about the same thing in one of his videos?
 
Davedree said:
Tu104 (Rtx2080 is a die harvested chip, they still have room for an Rtx2085 with more shaders, rt cores and tensor cores.
Would it still be mid range? ok well let's go with with GK104, Going back to the Gtx680 in 2012 it was the highest performing part bar the 2x scale up of the Gtx690, In October2012 the 680mx laptop chip was produced using Gk104 aswell.
The next year Gk110 was released (Big Kepler), where did Gk104 end up rebadged as the Gtx770, and 780m, which put it in mid range tier.

Are you telling me that laptop chips shared with the desktop are High end?
If i'm so crazy to suggest what is really mid range, high end, why would Uncle Jim ramble on about the same thing in one of his videos?
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So because they may have a bigger chip sitting somewhere else waiting and without any performance metric at all related to it that means anything below it is mid range regardless of performance relative to what is available?

According to your logic the 1080Ti is high end and the 2080 is mid range despite performing better purely based on a codename? It's irrelevant what its codename is, what its power draw is, how they apply it to anything at all. If the performance is there it's a performance chip.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
So because they may have a bigger chip sitting somewhere else waiting and without any performance metric at all related to it that means anything below it is mid range regardless of performance relative to what is available?
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If you mean Rtx2080, then no it's not a bigger chip sitting waiting theres, it's a die Tu104 which they have released on yield rate with disabled sm's and other parts. The full TU104 chips are used for the Quadro line.

According to your logic the 1080Ti is high end and the 2080 is mid range despite performing better purely based on a codename? It's irrelevant what its codename is, what its power draw is, how they apply it to anything at all. If the performance is there it's a performance chip.
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The 1080ti is pretty much at the stage/age where it would be Mid range. But others like to use the Enthusiast-High End-Mid range tiers after all how did Nvidia get to increase the pricing of their tiers, generation after generation.

I bet you'd listen to uncle Jim though, even though I've been saying the same thing for absolute years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dEyLoH3eTA&t=1654s
 
Davedree said:
If you mean Rtx2080, then no it's not a bigger chip sitting waiting theres, it's a die Tu104 which they have released on yield rate with disabled sm's and other parts. The full TU104 chips are used for the Quadro line.


The 1080ti is pretty much at the stage/age where it would be Mid range. But others like to use the Enthusiast-High End-Mid range tiers after all how did Nvidia get to increase the pricing of their tiers, generation after generation.

I bet you'd listen to uncle Jim though, even though I've been saying the same thing for absolute years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dEyLoH3eTA&t=1654s
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The fact that you say a 1080Ti is mid range just means there's not even any point in arguing. There are 2 cards (3 if you include Titan V) faster than it and they are all £1000+.

Have fun with your mid range £2000 PC :).
 
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