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Radeon VII

nashathedog said:
Can you still give the rewards account to someone else?
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I dont know, not tried yet. I've still got all 3 games to be redeemed from my Vega 56 purchase, i'm not even interested in playing any of them.. even tried to give the Steam games away but none of my friends want them lol :)

I'm sure were gona see this 'Redeem' thing for the R7 games when they come.
 
nashathedog said:
I think his point was that you shouldn't call him out in that way when you're also making assumptions, you said it like you corrected him & he purposely ignored your correction, which yes does happen on this forum but it's besides the point. Unless I'm also mistaking what he thinks he was talking about the core & HBM package used for the VII being repurposed from the Instinct range (MI50), Not that they had the same pcb & the only thing changed was the heatsink & shroud.

As for how & when the cores are tested & spilt between the MI60 & MI50, To me it looks like the core is tested before the memory is added, If it wasn't they'd have to have a lot of failed cores with 32gb's of HBM on them which doesn't make sense to me due to the costs so maybe they do test & split the cores into two piles before adding the HBM, one pile for MI60 & the other pile for MI50, then they add the memory and maybe at that point they test the MI50's again (or don't) and divert some of them to the VII range.

@Panos I don't like making presumptions so correct me where I'm wrong. :)
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No he specifically said all cards are the same, and that the mi50/60 gets used into a V7, he also excluded additional manufacturing costs of the pcb and other parts in his final calculation. So how was that assumptions on my half.
He said the failed mi50-60's need to be saved or they go into the bin. Well the mi50 is fully functional so you're not saving it, the mi60 has 32gb so they aren't saving it, so what is being saved from the bin

He has a habit of going quiet when you reply to him, after he has patronised you, or quoted something out of a reply. I can show you more examples where he has done this to me.

Just the other day he said this
Radeon VII is not GP102 on 7nm process, as Vega is not GP104.
Get your facts right my friend. AMD has a completely different tech.
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https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32473132/

My quote was this to you.
It's a 2.5 year old late to the party Gp102 on a 7nm process, reintroducing the £600-£700 pricepoint again after 2 years.It's not the 64cu, it's die harvesting at a 60Cu. Yeah it may compete with a 2 year old Pascal or a mid range Turing,
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Do you think I really don't understand that Amd has a totally different tech? Do you think it was right for him to write like that? My post to you was saying v7 is late and covering the same pricepoints as gp102 2 years later,
 
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nashathedog said:
Hi, Was Far Cry 5 being given away by AMD?

I know Gigabyte were giving it away with motherboards but don't remember seeing it in an AMD bundle.
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Back in May/June AMD had FC5 with the Vega cards. And in July with AC Odyssey etc.
To get those games you have to go to AMD, put the code, the browser will ask you to check your GPU and then you add your uplay account to activate them.

To bypass this, if someone wanted to sell those games, had to to get a customer willing to give them the uplay account to do it on their PC.
On MM there are whole discussions when those vouchers were sold.

Similarly in this case, all games going to be locked to AMD cards running the current offer (Division 2 etc). The cards are 3 Vegas and the RX500s.
So if someone having Nvidia wants to buy second hand those games, needs to give the uplay account to the seller to register them with their AMD card on. Otherwise if you have an AMD card of the above you have no issue.
 
Vince said:
I'm not sure, if you can do something to unleash the compute power that the MI50 possess then these could be very sort after by professionals looking for an MI50 alternative. I looked for MI50 pricing and couldn't see it anywhere so by that I am guessing that the card is either hard to come by or very expensive. If you could flash this thing to MI50 then you might even see these in the hands of people with no intention of gaming on them. Ill be buying one for a mix of gaming and compute.
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Very true. If buyers need the compute power then it makes much more sense for compute heavy tasks while also capable of a decent gaming performance. Similar to V64 really.
 
Davedree said:
No he specifically said all cards are the same, and that the mi50/60 gets used into a V7, he also excluded additional manufacturing costs of the pcb and other parts in his final calculation. So how was that assumptions onmy half.

He has a habit of going quiet when you reply to him, after he has patronised you, or quoted something out of a reply. I can show you more examples where he has done this to me.

Just the other day he said this

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32473132/

My quote was this to you.


Do you think I really don't understand that Amd has a totally different tech? Do you think it was right for him to write like that?
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I got it wrong, Sorry I don't want to cause an argument with anyone or between anyone over it, I'd presumed that Panos was thinking roughly the same as I've been thinking which is that the VII uses repurposed Instinct chips, If he was saying cards that's my mistake sorry.

It's a 2.5 year old late to the party Gp102 on a 7nm process, reintroducing the £600-£700 pricepoint again after 2 years.It's not the 64cu, it's die harvesting at a 60Cu. Yeah it may compete with a 2 year old Pascal or a mid range Turing,.
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I remember as I had to read it a second time to get it right, you meant a gp102 level card.

Panos said:
Back in May/June AMD had FC5 with the Vega cards. And in July with AC Odyssey etc.
To get those games you have to go to AMD, put the code, the browser will ask you to check your GPU and then you add your uplay account to activate them.

To bypass this, if someone wanted to sell those games, had to to get a customer willing to give them the uplay account to do it on their PC.
On MM there are whole discussions when those vouchers were sold.

Similarly in this case, all games going to be locked to AMD cards running the current offer (Division 2 etc). The cards are 3 Vegas and the RX500s.
So if someone having Nvidia wants to buy second hand those games, needs to give the uplay account to the seller to register them with their AMD card on. Otherwise if you have an AMD card of the above you have no issue.
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I must have missed the bundle with far Cry 5 or at least forgot about it, I had the next bundle though, the one with AC Odyssey, Strange Brigade & Star control and selling the Assassin's Creed game didn't require handing over control of your Uplay account. In total I had three copies of Assassin's Creed Odyssey to sell two from AMD bundles and the other came with a Samsung SSD. You can read how we did it here for future reference, it was simple enough and only required transferring the AMD rewards account over to whoever you sold the Odyssey game to, which isn't a problem as you can change the email address used with the account & create a different rewards account each time you redeem a bundle.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/assassins-creed-odyssey-on-uplay.18833187/
 
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nashathedog said:
I got it wrong, Sorry I don't want to cause an argument with anyone or between anyone over it, I'd presumed that Panos was thinking roughly the same as I've been thinking which is that the VII uses repurposed Instinct chips, If he was saying cards that's my mistake sorry.
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I don't want to fall out with anyone, panos settings for vega users are superb and his contributions throughtout the thread are usually spot on. Just I felt his estimated pricing was a bit out.

I remember as I had to read it a second time to get it right, you meant a gp102 level card.
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Yeah i should have typed equivalent to, it's easy to misread.
I agree with you that they must bin the gpu die prior to the package,it's the only logical way.
 
nashathedog said:
8k testing, Nothing has the horsepower yet and 0.001% of the reviews target audience actually game over 4k making 8k tests a total waste of time, time that can be used adding more tests at relevant resolutions like UW.
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Well, Titan RTX does for 30 fps. In Nvlink the 8K 60 dream is basically achievable. Now it just needs to go down in price.

More importantly - IT'S INTERESTING! The reviewers generally test the same things, in the same games, at the same resolutions. It's great when there's the odd one out who breaks the mould.

As we get more 8K displays later in the year, it's definitely becoming something to watch for.
 
MyBrains said:
I dont know, not tried yet. I've still got all 3 games to be redeemed from my Vega 56 purchase, i'm not even interested in playing any of them.. even tried to give the Steam games away but none of my friends want them lol :)

I'm sure were gona see this 'Redeem' thing for the R7 games when they come.
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Hey how much would you sell strange brigage and Star control origins to me for ?
 
Poneros said:
Well, Titan RTX does for 30 fps. In Nvlink the 8K 60 dream is basically achievable. Now it just needs to go down in price.

More importantly - IT'S INTERESTING! The reviewers generally test the same things, in the same games, at the same resolutions. It's great when there's the odd one out who breaks the mould.

As we get more 8K displays later in the year, it's definitely becoming something to watch for.
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Variety's great but what number of people are likely to buy an RTX Titan or a 2080ti to game at 8k? I'd much rather see the extra time spent on adding more games, more API tests & more resolutions to the review, Ultrawide has 3 resolutions, regular widescreen has 3 main resolutions, more if you include older res's like 1200 & 1600p. I'd like to see proper real world temp & noise tests added as well, Not just so called educated guesses based on how it does on the reviewers open test bench. There's so much more I think they should be adding before 8k results become a thing.
 
How much will these cards cost?
I've had a look all over the internet and have seen people quoting £650 to £800.
I was thinking of getting the Sapphire Nitro+ that's on offer at the moment but if the Radeon VII is going to be £650ish then I'm more swayed to go with the VII.
 
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