Rafa deserves the chance to overachieve with Liverpool again

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A sensible article taken from The Telegraph and sums up pretty much why he still has my backing (even if only just):

Duncan White

It is always hard to tell much from Rafael Benitez's manner, so guarded is he in public, but those who see a dead man walking must have felt a burst of schadenfreude when he emerged for his Friday press conference clutching his notes.

A Nixon-style resignation speech? No, a Clinton-style apology.

That simple assumption of responsibility, that simple act of modest contrition, punctured some of the mounting hysteria and bloodlust.

This is a man who is not doing his job very well, a man who used to do his job very well indeed less than a year ago. Is it entirely heretical to suggest that Benítez might deserve a chance to put right the mess he has made of this season?

This kind of hysteria is ultimately driven by results, but they have been bad for a while. Suddenly we have reached the tipping point.

The ex-players are wheeled out to pronounce the death sentence but, when it comes to running a multi-million pound football club, do they have credibility? Ronnie Whelan has not managed for eight years but when he did it was Southend and some clubs in Cyprus and Greece. Jason McAteer? He was sacked as John Barnes' assistant at Tranmere this season. Not exactly judges with gravitas.

What about the supporters? There has been fierce loyalty to Benítez at Anfield over the years, especially when he has taken on Tom Hicks and George Gillett. Now a significant portion of the support has turned on Benítez.

It is easy to pour empty flattery on to Liverpool fans, but really they are not much different to football fans the country over. More active than many in taking a direct interest in how the club is run on every level, sure, but still prone to shouting one thing at the final whistle and thinking another when reflecting in the pub.

The mentality of the pack, the mass, the herd develops its own momentum and, from the outside, it is hard to see Benítez surviving beyond the end of the season. This is a real pity because Benítez – eccentric, political, stubborn and vindictive as he can be – is a man who has been overachieving ever since he arrived at Anfield.

Take this rather imperfect analogy: Benítez as a Formula 1 driver. He comes in and starts driving for a team that has a resonant name, a history full of great deeds, fresh memories of famous victories. The problem is, the car isn't good enough. The owner's not putting the money in, the marketing guys can't get the lucrative sponsorship deals and the engineers are complacent.

Still, Benítez drives out of his skin. Race after race, he squeezes every last bit of juice out of this failing car and delivers some famous victories. Then, bang, he loses it. Perhaps it was the persistent technical disasters, that prompted it, but suddenly he is suffused with self doubt: he can't pick the racing line, he breaks too early or too late. He's struggling just to finish, let alone compete.

Now what do you do? Fire the driver? The car is still worse than its rivals – worse and getting worse. For one bad season in which he has failed to overachieve again? You need a special combination of ambition and patience to succeed driving in this team – a combination that is rare enough.

For a start, Liverpool will not sack Benítez before the end of the season (barring open player revolt or a truly comical series of results). Who next? Jose Mourinho? Guus Hiddink? Great drivers but are they going to risk their reputation getting into this car, with its huge expectation but poor performance?

The silver in the trophy cabinet can skew your perspective of a football club. If you are brutally objective about Liverpool, they look like a club equipped for the 20th century not the 21st. Compare them to one of their potential usurpers in the top four, Tottenham Hotspur, who they host at Anfield on Wednesday. It's not a flattering one.

Spurs have not won an away game against the big four since they won in the League Cup at Anfield in November 1998 – that's no away win in 65 attempts. Historically, Liverpool are the superior club. But you look at the future and there is only one club pointing in remotely the right direction.

Tottenham turned a profit last year. The diggers are in at their new training ground at Bulls Cross in Enfield, which will be one of the very best in the world. Planning permission is in for a new 60,000 stadium – the only significant debt the club will take on will be directly linked to the stadium.

If the success of Arsenal's move to the Emirates (the corporate dollar pays: 20 per cent of supporters generate 80 per cent of the earnings) is any guide, Spurs will be able to service that debt with ease.

Liverpool's huge interest payments means that their parent company made a £42.6 million loss in the last financial year. The new stadium in Stanley Park was supposed to be finished by 2012 but remains in limbo, waiting for global economic recovery.

Their debt stands at £240 million but without a hike in match day or commercial revenue, or substantial outside investment, they will spend all profits servicing it, rather than playing catch up on the field. To get Liverpool pointing in the right direction, Christian Purslow, the chief executive, has to turn a tanker in a canal.

On the pitch, Spurs have a squad full of young hungry internationals with a high market value. Even more importantly, they have some of the most promising academy players in the country: John Bostock, Dean Parrett, Andros Townsend and Ryan Mason should all break into the first team in the next few years.

Liverpool have three world class players (Gerrard, Reina, Torres) and a motley crew of the not-quite-first-rate and the definitely-second-rate. The academy has not produced a player deemed fit for Liverpool since Gerrard and seemingly will not any time soon.

Benítez has certainly been one of the main architects of this season's eyesore, but he is also responsible for the construction of some of this club's finest recent monuments.

Dealing with controversial owners and dwindling revenues, Benítez has proved he can get this club punching above its weight. He deserves another round, a chance to put right the mistakes he has made.
 
I have said this to a number of people when they say that benitez has to go. He is working with a team that should be about where they are now based on the quality of their squad. They have punched above their weight for a long time and eventually they would falter. Benitez isnt a bad manager, he just has a bum team.
 
You see this is where I do have a certain amount of admiration for the Liverpool fans, Benitez has been with you lot for how many seasons now? 6? And apart from his first two seasons he's won nothing in the last 4 yet it seems to me that the majority are sticking by him yet Man Utd have to put up with spoilt fans who despite having won 3 titles on the trot (not to mention the god knows how many other trophies SAF has won during his tenure) and despite being second in the league, still in the Champions League and still in the Carling Cup are calling for the managers head just because he hasn't spent some money and lost a handful of games this season

They want to take a look at Liverpool and see what's it's really like to be a misguided club :p
 
what the article fails to touch on is the number of absolutely horrific purchases he has made in the transfer market.

I forget the full text message lineup but basicly you could buy the whole Everton starting eleven, including Cahill and Arteta, for the price of Aquilani alone!
 
I have said this to a number of people when they say that benitez has to go. He is working with a team that should be about where they are now based on the quality of their squad. They have punched above their weight for a long time and eventually they would falter. Benitez isnt a bad manager, he just has a bum team.

A squad full of people he has signed.
 
What a complete load of bull. The guy obviously wants to write a fancy article offering a different perspective on whats happening, yet to get his point across (whatever the hell it was) he has to adopt a skewered and selective memory.

I was going to write a bigger post but I can't be bothered. I've heard better arguments in my local :rolleyes:
 
The only two players in our entire squad that have maintained their form this season have been Reina and Lucas imo. Whether that's because of injuries or a lack of confidence I'm unsure but Rafa seems unwilling to drop certain players and unable to instill confidence in others.

Reina - Superb

Johnson - Started the season extremely well and contributed heavily in attack and defense. Since his injury he's been a mistake waiting to happen. Lacks fitness, form and confidence.

Carragher - Woefully off form and making mistakes that he simply wouldn't have made a few years ago. Shouldn't be a first team regular anymore.

Agger - Probably our best CB and certainly the most comfortable on the ball. He's not hit the heights of a few seasons ago but he's getting back to his best. Lacks fitness.

Insua - Looks shot. Started the season very well but the defensive side of his game has gotten worse and worse with each game. Gets skinned far too regularly and probably costs us more goals than any other player. Lacks form and confidence.

Lucas - Always retains possession and always looks to play a forward pass. Not as good as Alonso but getting better with each game. If the team had the movement and confidence of last season I'm sure he'd be talked about in a more positive light rather than used as a scapegoat for our poor performances.

Mascherano - Started the season poorly but got better and better. One of the few players in the team who actually puts in 100% each game.

Kuyt - Helps out in defence but hinders every single attack. Should've been dropped months ago. Lacks form and confidence but most of all ability.

Gerrard - Doesn't look interested. Whether that's because Rafa has asked him to play on and have his operation at the end of the season and risk missing the world cup or because it's another season without the title I'm not sure but his lack of fight, fitness and form is currently the biggest problem with the team. Looks like he's given up and that's rubbing off on his teammates imo.

Yossi - As with Johnson, started the season extremely well and contributed heavily going forward. Since his injury he's offered nothing. Lacks fitness, form and confidence.

Torres - Always injured. We'd be far higher up the league if he played more games. Lacks fitness and form.
 
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I don't see the point in binning Benitez now, even though they've had what seems to be a shocking start to the season, they're still only 4 points off a top 4 slot - although it'll be tougher this year for sure, you still have results like Man City losing, Villa have lost their way a bit, Spurs drew with Hull - the other teams simply haven't taken advantage of Liverpools poor run of form.

If they knuckle down and get a few results and the other teams fall away as they traditionally do, they'll have every chance of Champs League qualification and can look forward to next year again.
 
I have said this to a number of people when they say that benitez has to go. He is working with a team that should be about where they are now based on the quality of their squad. They have punched above their weight for a long time and eventually they would falter. Benitez isnt a bad manager, he just has a bum team.

Er didn't he create this team though :s ?
 
The article kinda makes sense, until you take into consideration the team he is playing as said is one he has bought.

Hasnt he signed a crazy amount of players since being there? Apart from Torres/Gerrard/Reina the most are rightly placed in the league. If you look at man for man with UTD/Chelsea/Arsenal then they arent really equal are they.

Also got to take into account the times he has made really strange subs happy with a 1-0 lead or fielded a crappy team without much intent behind it. Yesterday being an example of that most defensive players on the field.

Bought a £20m+ midfielder who has barely played since arriving when it could have been better spent.

What makes this season look so much worse than last was they went very far with an average team now they have sold Alonso that team has gone from being 4 down to 3 :p
 
Kuyt - Helps out in defence but hinders every single attack. Should've been dropped months ago. Lacks form and confidence but most of all ability.

Gerrard - Doesn't look interested. Whether that's because Rafa has asked him to play on and have his operation at the end of the season and risk missing the world cup

It's all good and well saying Kuyt should have been dropped months ago but for who? Riera's been injured on and off all season and Babel's a lazy ****. No doubt he's been very poor this season but there hasn't been anybody to replace him with.

Regarding Gerrard, from what I know it's the exact opposite to that. The club wanted him to have the op when he was out for those 3-4 weeks earlier in the season but Gerrard didn't want it and thought he could play through the injury.

As for the OP. We finished 2nd last season with an amount of points that would have won the league in many previous season and the only tangible changes from that squad is Alonso & Arbeloa out with Aquilani & Johnson replacing them. No doubt losing Alonso was a blow (not as much as some think) and Aquilani hasn't yet to be able to replace him because of his injury (whether he can remains to be seen) but Johnson has been a big improvement on Arbeloa.

There's a whole host of reasons why we are where we are this season; some have been unavoidable like persistent injuries to key players, poor decisions and in some cases simple bad luck. Some have been avoidable and which Rafa is ultimately responsible:

Form of squad players - We get constantly told how we rely on Gerrard and Torres too much but that really wasn't the case last season. Gerrard and Torres were fantastic when fit last season but it was the form of players like Skrtel (pre-injury), Aurelio, Riera, Benayoun and Kuyt that played a huge part in our success last season. This season none of those have came close to the level they were playing at last season and it's ultimately the managers responsibility to get the best out of them.

Depth of the squad - With everybody fit our first 11 is as good as anything in the league and the depth of the squad was no different from last season but (as above) when players are playing well and you don't have many injuries, you don't need a huge squad. We're not in a position like City or Chelsea are where we can build a squad of stars, we can either sign a couple top class/proven/expensive players or sign 4-5 unproven/lower standard squad players. The past couple of seasons we've sacrafised the depth of our squad for the quality of our first team and it worked last year but it's back fired dramatically this season. It's the managers responsibility to get the balance right and Rafa hasn't done it this season.

Prior to this season I've always thought that the amount of stick Benitez has got considering the job he's done was harsh to say the least but there's no excuse for this season. Unless there's massive improvement between now and the end of the season (even qualifiying for the CL may not be enough) then it probably is time for a change. The parameters which he's working within are only going to get tighter and the level of competition which we're going to be coming up against is only going to get stronger (with City only going in 1 direction).

All that may prove meaningless though as it's unlikely the club can afford to sack him (even if we make the CL) and we've still not managed to find a replacement for Parry because of the off-field **** let alone a manager.
 
Isnt Purslow essentially Parry's replacement?

I think Rafa has been his stubborn usual self, which isnt a bad thing for a manager.But I do fear the club has some serious problems which is showing in the team.Money is of course an issue and the squad is really filled with some dross. I still dont see Lucas's ability, his passes are terrible, he has the ideas but not the ability, he along with Kuyt has stifled many of our attacks.

That said, the situation isnt all dire, a win against spurs will put us back into the mix for CL footy.

The article in the OP refers to Spurs being a financially sucessful club, thing is, i just cannot understand how? they spend a lot of money on players, they havent really had any sucess in god know how long, so where is the revenue coming from?
 
No. Purslow's job is a new position within the club and it's strongly reported that his appointment was a condition of the latest refinance.
 
The article in the OP refers to Spurs being a financially sucessful club, thing is, i just cannot understand how? they spend a lot of money on players, they havent really had any sucess in god know how long, so where is the revenue coming from?
This is a (big?) assumption on my part, but they probably don't have multi hundreds of millions of pounds of debt that needs to be serviced.
 
Enjoyed reading that.

Nice to read something that is in support of Rafa.

I do agree, Rafa is doing his best, he's just having an off season. Liverpool don't have a great squad and have over achieved for years.

I'm not an expert, but I read what people say on here and read on the net and talk to friends who support them, and Liverpool's biggest problem seems to be the weight of expectation and the owners.
 
If we have over achieved, then whose rightful place have we been taking?

Up until this year, we have had a stable solid defence since Rafa's reign, yes weve spent lots of cash on dross, but Rafa has also turned a profit on a lot of that dross, and also bought some good players, we've consistently finished in the top 4 and consitently finished in semi's of the toughest club cups (CL).That aint too shabby imo.
 
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Enjoyed reading that.

Nice to read something that is in support of Rafa.

I do agree, Rafa is doing his best, he's just having an off season. Liverpool don't have a great squad and have over achieved for years.

I'm not an expert, but I read what people say on here and read on the net and talk to friends who support them, and Liverpool's biggest problem seems to be the weight of expectation and the owners.
The bigger overall problem thats facing the club IS the owners, as under them we don't have a future, and as times goes by we become less able to compete at the highest levels.

However the more immediate problem lies directly on Benitez' shoulders. He's made some massive blunders and in his stubbornness he has put the club at more risk than is needed. Benitez is responsible for the state we're in today on the pitch and as a TEAM, that much has nothing to do with the owners at present, and this is what I don't understand about many fans who believe that all our problems lie with the owners, its simply not true. Benitez is responsible for the team, the players and more importantly, the results.

What we need as a club to survive and continue to challenge at the highest level, is a new wealthy owner and a new fresh start of management. That's the best we can possibly hope for, but at present its looking very unlikely.

My biggest concern at the moment, other than somehow trying to get something from the Spurs game, is whats going to happen in the summer. If Benitez stays on and we continue to lose games, how do we stand any chance at all of retaining our world class players? Personally I don't see any of them wanting to stay, possibly even Gerrard and Reina. So whats running through my mind now is, is it worth bringing in another manager if Benitez loses the next few games, and him try to instill some belief and convince the players to stay? Otherwise next year we could really end up in the ****.
 
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Thing is tho, if we get rid of Rafa, the spanish contingent will walk, imo Torres and Reina are more important to us in regards to the future, than Carra and Stevie.
 
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