Rally Project

chopchop said:
elaborate.... ?
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If I gave you a 20% pay increase, would that be piddly?
If your road tax went up 20% would that be piddly?
It doesn't really matter what the actual power figures are, it's the increase that's important. 20% increase in power on any given car should at the very least be easily noticeable. People put Mi16 engines into 205 GTi's - why bother - it's only about a 25% increase in power and doesn't even crack 200bhp. Why bother? How about going from XR3i to RS Turbo - a measly 23% or so, pointless.
Or, if you want something to relate to, if you upgrade from a Vauxhall 2.0 8 valve to an XE that's roughly 20% increase. So, a total waste of time and money eh?
 
Lopéz said:
If I gave you a 20% pay increase, would that be piddly?
If your road tax went up 20% would that be piddly?
It doesn't really matter what the actual power figures are, it's the increase that's important. 20% increase in power on any given car should at the very least be easily noticeable. People put Mi16 engines into 205 GTi's - why bother - it's only about a 25% increase in power and doesn't even crack 200bhp. Why bother? How about going from XR3i to RS Turbo - a measly 23% or so, pointless.
Or, if you want something to relate to, if you upgrade from a Vauxhall 2.0 8 valve to an XE that's roughly 20% increase. So, a total waste of time and money eh?
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dont spout rubbish like that..

people put mi16 engines in 205s cos its an "easy" way to get abit more power, with potential to be chipped later on.
xr3i to a turbo, easier to increase the bhp by upping boost e.t.c e.t.c

yes they do it because of the higher stock bhp and the pathways leading to more.. we both know that

it does matter what the power figures are, hes going to race the car and as its only a 1400cc you need to do a lot of things to make it put out decent competative power, we all want to win if possible right ?
i ran the costs through my head and its a shocking amount to spend and still may not release the potential of the engine, so i suggested porting which should help it a lot. i standby my comment that 20% more from that engine still wont be a lot and i see very little difference between 80 and 100bhp cars.
hopefully u get what im saying now, yes anything you get extra is a bonus, so why not make it the biggest one you can (realistically).
 
chopchop said:
dont spout rubbish like that..
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Don't disrespect me or I will ban you. Simple as that, it's your choice.

The rest of your post I agree with in parts - yes, it's best to maximise the power you can get but realistically everyone is on a budget - plus slotting in a cam is a relatively simple job and flowing a head properly isn't to be honest - so you have to factor in labour costs, which are high for this sort of work.

I still disagree about 20% being a poor increase though :p
 
Lopéz said:
I still disagree about 20% being a poor increase though :p
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Me to, remember its a percentage increase on the original power so regardless of the original starting bhp a 20% power increase is going to be noticed and usefull, i don't think anyone would turn down that sort of increase tbh, unless you clinically insane that is ;)
 
well having that engine in my car, i know that adding that little power wont make it much better. and head porting is only a few hundred quid!
 
chopchop said:
well having that engine in my car, i know that adding that little power wont make it much better. and head porting is only a few hundred quid!
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20% is 20%! It's a respectable power increase and would be noticeable irrespective of the original power. Accept it you are wrong this time.
 
It not just about horsepower, its about making the engine suited to the task at hand. A cammed, chipped, non-athsmatic engine will be a lot more suited to hooning about than standard engine with a just a flowed head....
 
chopchop said:
eh? you do everything else AND port the head, i.e go the whole hog on it.
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Yes, but as I pointed out before, the cost of the parts and labour for fitting a cam and associated components is cheaper than having a head properly gas-flowed and ported. A good head porting will see a jamjar full of metal removed from most castings! Not exactly cheap gains, though certainly worthwhile. Whereas the cam and so on can be fitted by any relatively competent mechanically minded person.

What if his budget doesn't stretch that far?
 
Jonny69 said:
Ha ha ha ha lol at this thread
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Not quite sure what part amuses you...

Anyway a small update.
Received the battery box, gave it a quick rub down and slapped on some red spray. It's been secured in the rear and is awaiting a shiny new battery to go with it. Will need to add a stabilising bracket from the box and also put some latches on the lid.
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Now the battery box is in place i can run the main power cable down through the car. I've run it around the side to begin with as i may have to put a rear/fake seat in for regs. Obviously i don't want anything rubbing or resting on the wire.
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As you can see i've secured it with clips and it's kept well away from any possible contact with anything that could chafe it. You can see that it goes up behind the dash and out throught the old stereo slot. In here i'll be putting the main battery master switch. Need to get some ally plate before i can do so.
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After a bit of head scratching i decided that the handheld extinguisher should be placed in the centre, between the seats. It's close by and easy to grab even with harnesses on. Speed is most defianately of the essence when dealing with a fire.
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Next job will be to put the extinguisher/master switch pulls outside on the front of the car. After i have done this i can see how far the cable goes and work out placement for the plumbed in extinguisher. I will hopefully be able to fit it beneath the navigator's legs at the front of his seat. It is a tight squeeze though so we'll see.
 
How did i miss this thread!

Looking good JBeck, looks as though you know what your doing :cool:

Always fancied trying rallying but sadly I lack the funds and space to actually do it myself... not to mention my lack of mechanical know how to put it all together. Definately something I'll try when I have a mid-life crisis :D

Keep us updated on the progress!
 
Not a fan of Corsas personally, but I bet it'll be a pretty nice machine when you've finished.

Slightly O/T - chopchop what the hell are you dribbling on about? No matter what the car or BHP, a 20% increase is substantial and definately noticeable. Are you saying that going from a 911 Turbo to a 911 GT2 wouldn't be noticable performance-wise, as it's ONLY a 13% increase in power? Don't talk daft.
 
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