Ramadan 2014

[geekman]

Unfortunately people don't remember and never will. Without the Muslims helping out, it would have been a different world today.

Na it's ok

Us Brown people only claim benefits. We are scroungers. Don't work. Eat Halal food. Don't socialize with other people. Classed as terrorists.. Not good enough.

And the list goes on.

If people really did think like that, you "brown people" wouldn't be able to walk down the street without being abused or attacked. The reality is that only a small minority have such views about Muslims, just as only a small minority of Muslims are scroungers and don't work.

The reason some people criticise Ramadan is not because they hate Muslims, it's because the idea of fasting and then binge-eating seems ridiculous and counter productive to them. Personally, I couldn't care less if people choose to do it as long as it doesn't affect me, but I think that about any form of religion.

 

[Castiel]

I think it's quite sad that something so obviously a product of human imagination forms such a fundamental part of people's existence, to the point that nothing could be considered more guiding or sustaining. Compassion? Empathy? Nope - a work of fiction.

I think it is equally sad that some people simply cannot accept that not everyone shares the same worldview and that different people are motivated by different things. I find it sad that people feel it necessary to mock and denigrate a entire people simply because they feel their thinking is superior and correct, I find it sad that people feel it necessary to force their ideology into others, I find it sad that a simple inoffensive thing such as fasting can garner such division and mockery in a similar way that I find it sad that others feel they need to justify their actions with theirs and others religions and ideologies, I find it sad that people are judged simply based on the beliefs they hold rather than the actions of the individual.

And this goes whether you hold a belief in a God, Religion or not. The world would be a better, more United place if we remembered a simple truth, underneath all the arguments and disagreements we are in fact the same, we feel the same things, we breathe the same air and we walk the same ground...we share more than we realise and only when we realise this and that our superficial differences can enhance our existence rather than divide it, that we can each learn from each other and in turn change each other for the better, then will we truly be able to progress as a people.

 

[Deep]

Good luck to all taking part! I know this year is going to be one of the hardest one in the past few years

 

[PMKeates]

I think it is equally sad that some people simply cannot accept that not everyone shares the same worldview and that different people are motivated by different things. I find it sad that people feel it necessary to mock and denigrate a entire people simply because they feel their thinking is superior and correct, I find it sad that people feel it necessary to force their ideology into others, I find it sad that a simple inoffensive thing such as fasting can garner such division and mockery in a similar way that I find it sad that others feel they need to justify their actions with theirs and others religions and ideologies, I find it sad that people are judged simply based on the beliefs they hold rather than the actions of the individual.

Judging people based on their beliefs is very different from judging people's beliefs. The beliefs are patently ridiculous and irrational, and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. It's also quite difficult not to wonder about the mindset of the individual whose action is to truly believe and follow them.

And this goes whether you hold a belief in a God, Religion or not. The world would be a better, more United place if we remembered a simple truth, underneath all the arguments and disagreements we are in fact the same, we feel the same things, we breathe the same air and we walk the same ground...we share more than we realise and only when we realise this and that our superficial differences can enhance our existence rather than divide it, that we can each learn from each other and in turn change each other for the better, then will we truly be able to progress as a people.

I don't think religious dogma is going to do much for that.

 

[Aedus]

I still don't see why other people care so much what others believe.

 

[lmfy2k]

Ramadan Mubarak All

 

[Castiel]

Judging people based on their beliefs is very different from judging people's beliefs.

Except as the following quote suggests you cannot separate the two, most people can't or don't, never mind that by judging something as fundamental to a person as their beliefs is tantamount to judging the person, at least to them.

The beliefs are patently ridiculous and irrational, and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. It's also quite difficult not to wonder about the mindset of the individual whose action is to truly believe and follow them.I don't think religious dogma is going to do much for that.

Which only illustrates the point I was making and I find it very sad that you cannot see beyond the superficial and your own prejudices and bias.

 

[chief barker]

Good luck to all taking part! I know this year is going to be one of the hardest one in the past few years

And why is that then?

Please explain.

 

[LOAM]

Because its early, in the summer and near the solstice. IE its hot and the days are long.

Edit, Ramadan Mubarak to all taking part

 

[Deep]

And why is that then?

Please explain.

Because the times aren't the same each year, so the period moves.
As it gets later in the summer time, the days get longer.

 

[Pudney]

As it gets later in the summer time, the days get longer.

Summer starts on the longest day. The later in summer the shorter the days

 

[hanluc]

Might try this for as long as I can just for the crack, see how my self discipline holds up.

 

[bitslice]

£100m in the UK alone last year, and that's with only what 4% of the UK population?

5% of pop,
and I can't find much to back this figure up?

It says £100m was expected, but going from the top 1000 charities list, muslim charities made around £75M, (I'd expect it to be more than this in 2014 with Syria etc.)
...which is about a fifth of what rest of the UK gave to animal charities alone.


Catholics on their own donated about £180M.

Christians would have given slightly more (that 10% for evangelicals is a lot).
Nobody has figures for mosque/church donations.



Looking at where the money goes, most of the Islamic aid goes specifically to Islamic countries or countries in Africa with a high proportion of muslims.

This isn't really my idea of charity tbh, this is simply sending money home.




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[CREATIVE!11]

5% of pop,
and I can't find much to back this figure up?

It says £100m was expected, but going from the top 1000 charities list, muslim charities made around £75M, (I'd expect it to be more than this in 2014 with Syria etc.)
...which is about a fifth of what rest of the UK gave to animal charities alone.


Catholics on their own donated about £180M.

Christians would have given slightly more (that 10% for evangelicals is a lot).
Nobody has figures for mosque/church donations.



Looking at where the money goes, most of the Islamic aid goes specifically to Islamic countries or countries in Africa with a high proportion of muslims.

This isn't really my idea of charity tbh, this is simply sending money home.




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That is a good point, I've seen people throw this figure around about how Muslims are more charitable than all of us. Now I'm not completely clued up on this so someone provide info otherwise but a couple articles I've read here and there showed they mostly donate to Islamic causes / charities that serve other muslims.

Whereas generally charities help whoever is in need, you don't see say the red cross only offering help to a certain group of people.

 

[Deep]

Fair enough, but why would you need luck though?

Correct me if i'm wrong but Muslims don't believe in luck?

It's a saying and nothing more.

Summer starts on the longest day. The later in summer the shorter the days

Yes but the days get longer up until that point and shorter after that point.
So if the middle of Ramadan is in the middle of that point they'll have longer hours to deal with.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Is asking "why bother with Ramadan?" not allowed on OcUK?

Protecting such utterly pointless practises from criticism is ridiculous.

Pointless to you. Sacred to many.

Toe the line in this thread or don't post. It's that simple.

 

[Pudney]

Yes but the days get longer up until that point and shorter after that point.
So if the middle of Ramadan is in the middle of that point they'll have longer hours to deal with.

Ok, I'll redo this in steps:

Deep: As it gets later in the summer time, the days get longer.
Me: Summer starts on the longest day. The later in summer the shorter the days
Deep: Yes but the days get longer up until that point and shorter after that point.

 

[Deep]

Ok, I'll redo this in steps:

Deep: As it gets later in the summer time, the days get longer.
Me: Summer starts on the longest day. The later in summer the shorter the days
Deep: Yes but the days get longer up until that point and shorter after that point.

I read you completely wrong! My bad!

 

[lmfy2k]

It starts 10 days earlier each year and i think its a ~33 year cycle

first few fasts will be hard, body has to adjust then it gets easier

trouble is between sunset and "crack" of dawn (when the fast starts) there are that many hours so wont be able to eat much!

 

[Participant]

I think it is equally sad that some people simply cannot accept that not everyone shares the same worldview and that different people are motivated by different things. I find it sad that people feel it necessary to mock and denigrate a entire people simply because they feel their thinking is superior and correct, I find it sad that people feel it necessary to force their ideology into others, I find it sad that a simple inoffensive thing such as fasting can garner such division and mockery in a similar way that I find it sad that others feel they need to justify their actions with theirs and others religions and ideologies, I find it sad that people are judged simply based on the beliefs they hold rather than the actions of the individual.

And this goes whether you hold a belief in a God, Religion or not. The world would be a better, more United place if we remembered a simple truth, underneath all the arguments and disagreements we are in fact the same, we feel the same things, we breathe the same air and we walk the same ground...we share more than we realise and only when we realise this and that our superficial differences can enhance our existence rather than divide it, that we can each learn from each other and in turn change each other for the better, then will we truly be able to progress as a people.

You find challenge sad just because it's a challenge to religion. There's nothing sad about questioning other people's views. Whether a challenge is acceptable or not isn't defined by how upset the challenged party may become by that challenge.