Ramadan Mubarakh..!
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So yea other then school trips. Been sitting at home most days. Only going out in the evenings when i need to. 
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OK, but these ill people might rely on disability benefits or the like. If the payment affects their personal finances in a very negative way, shouldn't it be excused?
I'm not having a pop here honestly, I am just asking a question.
Tough. As you can imagine dehydration is a risk so during the night plenty of fluids are a must. Other than that the usual fatigue is amplified due to the heat! It's bearable though
I don't mind the heat usally but really suffered in the London underground, I don't know how people can fast in hotter country's like Sudan etc.
Soldato
You've kind of answered your own question there. The welfare system was introduced by Islam and the whole process of giving to charity are the very benefits you mention.
As was mentioned earlier, the person who doesn't fast is required to make up the fast, if they cannot, then a sacrifice should be made or they should donate to charity.
There are a number of options for them to take and if they are all too much for the individual and they genuinely cannot fulfil the requirements then it is best to ask for forgiveness.
I think people need to remember that Islam is a relatively easy religion to follow and is based upon sincerity and honesty in these circumstances. If there are genuine reasons for not doing something, just ask for forgiveness.
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Yeah I never really got the heat due to being in an air conditioned classroom all day!
Really felt it today though being in a car for 3 hours and no AC!
I agree though the daily struggle for the people in a hotter climate is very real and very tough.
Because most of the people who do it are sincere in their beliefs and won't be looking for a loophole to exploit.
Technically Muslims are allowed to eat pork if they're under duress or there's nothing else to eat, such as during the Spanish inquisition where the catholics forced everyone to eat pork to ensure they were Christians. Or in tge case of being stranded in a desert island with no animals apart from pigs.
But I don't see many Muslims break that rule or extend it to apply to them under a far reaching technicality.
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http://www.islam-watch.org/home/79-mirza/154-ramadan-fasting-a-pure-islamic-deception.html
Not starting an argument or anything, but can any Muslims here comment on this for me?
Not starting an argument or anything, but can any Muslims here comment on this for me?
I belive you don't have to have to pay if you can't afford it god does not intend hardship. It's a good question I have not read the while of the quart yet but that's the best answer I could find. There are other examples of similar situation, if you dieing of starvation and thier r5s nothing but pork around you can eat it.
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The month of Ramadhan [is that] in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights [the new moon of] the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or on a journey - then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and [wants] for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful
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Yes, I'll comment on it. There is some truth in what he says, however, what he's done is taken what 'some' muslims do and applied it to all muslims. He clearly seems to have an agenda.
Personally, I would say that for my evening meal in Ramadhan I eat very slightly more than I would do normally. So overall, I eat much less in a 24 hr period. At Sehri time (before sunrise) I only have a smoothie or milkshake and have 2-3 dates with it.
In terms of whether or not fasting is good/bad for the health, there will be people arguing both sides. It matters very little to me what 'scientific evidence' which lets remember, often takes U-turns, suggests. The reasons why Muslims hence why I fast, is because we believe that this is a direct commandment from the One who created us, and the One who knows what is best for us. If I didn't believe this, I wouldn't do it. I've actually found fasting surprisingly easy so far this year.
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Sounds like a disgruntled Muslim! Unfortunately, in reality Ramadan has turned into a bit of a sham in most Arab countries. Most people are losing its values and are taking it to this level. The whole concept of eating more is completely false in my personal case. Our weekly shop has been halved and we eat nowhere near as much. (8 person household with foster kids) there are some downright rude and accusatory statements in there but (s)he generally tries to come up with all the points with little or no basis in fact.
The bottom line is, ramadhan observed properly should be the opposite of everything that article is making claim to.
Just a shame that there are a few individuals who do these things and much like the extremists, ruin it for everyone else
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Just wondering if anyone fasting has had issues with their employer raising any H&S concerns i am just thinking some jobs they might..
Probably silly example... crane operator in this heat and no water could cause an accident, bus driver, pilot, anything safety related or do you have to take leave to fast if in a safety critical job?
What about physical jobs in this heat, labourer, hod carrier etc can you still work at 100% and not become ill etc
p.s. maybe i am assuming problems are more likely than they really are from not drinking
Probably silly example... crane operator in this heat and no water could cause an accident, bus driver, pilot, anything safety related or do you have to take leave to fast if in a safety critical job?
What about physical jobs in this heat, labourer, hod carrier etc can you still work at 100% and not become ill etc
p.s. maybe i am assuming problems are more likely than they really are from not drinking
The author is an ex-muslim and is coming from a very materialistic point of view. Tone of his article and the site is general is evidently disagreeable with everything Islamic.
I skimmed through the article:
1) Prices of commodities shoot up during Ramadan - I don't know about what it's like in Muslim countries but here in the UK there has not been any changes to food prices. Obviously everything is supply and demand so foods that are consumed during ramadhan like dates, chick peas (classic iftar food) which are imported would increase in price but there's not requirement to eat these foods specifically.
2) National Productivity decline: Working during ramadhan is possible but it's a little bit tougher than when not fasting. But I can still function and carry out my work. A lot of national productuvy decline in Muslim countries during ramadhan could be down to the fact that ramadhan is like a national holiday. I've been on holiday to the Middle East a few times, if you're not a Muslim a really cheap time to visit is during Ramadhan - Hotels and flights to Dubai is dit cheap because most of the country is on holiday. In the UK the b2b sectors productivity between 19th December and 5th January is probably nil. For the same reason as that it's a national holiday period.
3) Charity and donations. All Muslims are required to donate 2.5% of their wealth (not earnings, but retained wealth) to charity called the Zakat. The Zakat is purely to feed the poor. It does not go to Mosque building or to pay NGOs or to lobby governments etc. Not sure what that article is getting at, doesn't cite sources so hard to challenge. Most Muslims will emphatise with the poor a lot more and you do dig into your pockets to fill charity buckets a lot more (outside of your statutory zakat obligations). You can't really argue with that. Charity isn't a competition, Western countries have high GDP and have big aid budgets but that's beside the point. You strive to give as much money as you can AFFORD.
4) Health benefits: I know of some people who claim that fasting has detoxifying benefits, but this is really beside the point. There is nothing in the Quran or hadith which states fasting is for health or suggests that it's good for health. It's meant to be challenging and draining, you are much more irritable during ramadhan and it brings out flaws in your personality, when you're busy with your 9-6 daily grind, and making tonnes of cash and busy with your night time activities it's easy to bury your personal issues with a hatchet. But during fasting everything slows down and your irritability surfaces and you learn to deal with your issues and work through them. It's a mental detoxification more than anything. You will become more angrier with issues and you address your anger issues.
Another attack against Ramadhan I hear which I'm surprised isn't mentioned in this article is that people actually eat more food not less during Ramadhan because Muslims have big feasts. Actual calorie intake actually goes down during a typical fasting day. Outside of fasting you might have 4 meals a day and some snacks inbetween. Total calorie intake is probably quite high. Well the big Ramadhan feasts are quite big if you compare it to a standard meal outside of fasting. During Ramadhan you have 1 big feast immediately on breaking your fast and then one average size meal just before beginning the fast for the next day. It's not phyically possible to eat a lot of food. Can you eat your breakfast, lunch and tea in one sitting? I think not.
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Whoop whoop lost a stone so far, might continue and do fasting style diet afterwards with the addition of water.
My niece has lost 1 and half stones too so she's happy.
Flown by this year, can't believe only 6 or 7 left.
My niece has lost 1 and half stones too so she's happy.
Flown by this year, can't believe only 6 or 7 left.
Congratulates for you both enjoy the reset of Ramadan i must agree it has flown past this year.
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Depends on situation really like my father can't fast as hes on medication, children are not required to fast for until they reach the age of maturity.
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A friend of mine started fasting this year, but got diagnosed with a broken knee for which she was prescribed painkillers, which meant she had to abandon the fast.
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Article is full of cultural bias tbh. Whoever wrote that crap needs to be pick up a Hadith book and read and learn about Islamic etiquette and manners,
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Is Dr Naik still banned from the British Gov from entering the country?
I think you'll like this:
https://vimeo.com/110071603
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Broken down in services waiting for RAC, doing iftari with a tall latte and a mozeralla panini sandwich lol