Rapists

[Angilion]

Haven't read the entire thread, however you do realise that there are the same amount of gay people around than there used to be? [..]

While that makes sense, it's impossible to prove because there aren't reliable numbers. There isn't even a simple definition of "gay" to begin with even if we had reliable numbers, which we don't.

Strictly speaking, your statement is almost certainly wrong because of the increase in population over time. It seems rather unlikely that when the population was half what it is now there were as many gay people as there are now - that would require homosexuality being twice as common in the fairly recent past.

We assume that the proportion of people who are homosexual is constant, but we can't prove that. How can you find out how many people were homosexual in England in 750 AD? Or Spain in 2000 BC? Or anywhere else at any time, really. Even nowadays in a society with a more reasonable attitude, it's still not possible to be sure of accurate numbers. While sexual orientation appears to be determined before birth, we can't prove that and we don't know how it happens. It's possible that changes in environmental factors might change the proportion of people who are homosexual.

 

[Angilion]

What concerns me here is that people will see the "harvard.edu" in the web address and then think he has a point. You see, current scientific consensus suggests that homosexuality is purely genetic - not environmental. [..]

That's far from clear and the two aren't exclusive anyway. Environment can affect the expression of genes, especially the environment inside the womb during gestation.

 

[Angilion]

Yes but those rapists usually aren't gay, on the outside they prefer women. So those rapes are still born of heterosexual frustration.

Cobblers. Prison rape is very extremely obviously about power. It has very little to do with sex, really. It serves the same purpose as a beating, but more so. It's about dominance in a grotesque social structure created by a system that is efficient at making the worst of people and rewarding those who are nastiest and most violent.

Outside of prison, sexual frustration might play some role in rape as a tipping point by altering a person's mind, but it's a small role on the borderline. It might well affect when a rapist rapes, but it's not relevant to normal people. Normal people who are sexually frustrated get snappy and masturbate when they get an opportunity to do so, or go out and get consensual sex. They don't go out and rape. Rape isn't a substitute for consensual sex. It's a fundamentally different thing. It has a sexual component, but it's not the same one. It's like the difference between shaking someone's hand and punching them in the face - they both involve movements of your arm, but they're really not the same thing at all.

 

[anything I don't mind]

Prison rape about power? wrong. prison rape is about sex as they are locked up with no women with nothing to lose. In prison a show of power will be a knife to the throat or a beating generally speaking. Maybe in tv show like oz or prison break its about a show of power.

Outside of prison men rape due to the same reasons they will rape women. The dynamic is no different. I would argue that most men that will rape another man will most likely rape a women given the same opportunity. A lot of male rape does have a power element to it but realy it is about the sex. Psychologists like to find these ulterior motives when the simple motive is real the reason motive.

I have known people that have drugged and raped their friends. Male on male. What happens is that you get a group of guys who think they are stright, well as far as they are aware. Then an older guy comes in to the group and drugs a few of them and rapes them. This leads to these guys to sometimes become BI or more relaxed about it. They then rape other people and this pattern repeats. When male on male rape occurs between a group of friends often the culprits don't think there was anything wrong with it. This sort of activity never happens amongst women (ie women on women).

As homosexuality becomes more socially acceptable and guys have felt more comfortable airing their views, this often can be like putting a rape target on their backs figuratively speaking. Then they get drugged and raped by other people they knew and are far less likely to report than a straight man getting raped and even less likely than a woman.

I know what you are thinking, why am i an expert on this subject? no i used to know someone who had some bad experiences and my sister is a psychologist. Most people find the subject difficult to talk about, it happens all the time so I don't realy see the big deal about it.

 

[Akagi]

If I were a mod, I would have closed this thread by now

Feel lucky that the mods are apparently more open to this kind of thread being around than I Kwerk.

 

[Guest2]

Is it rape if you get strapponed by a woman? - penetration but not penile

sex is classed as penile or foreign object, is rape not the same?

By the theory of it isn't rape unless its penile, lesbians cannot have sex

 

[Akagi]

Is it rape if you get strapponed by a woman? - penetration but not penile

sex is classed as penile or foreign object, is rape not the same?

By the theory of it isn't rape unless its penile, lesbians cannot have sex

I don't think that lesbians *can* have sex though. I would consider a woman who has only had sexual relations with another woman to be a virgin.

I don't see how it can be any different to a woman engaging in sexual activity with a man which doesn't involve penile penetration, but may involve the use of a female sex toy for example. If that was the greatest extent of her sexual experiences, would she not still be a virgin by definition?

The opposite for example would be a man engaging in foreplay with a woman which does not involve penile penetration but may involve the use of a male sex toy. I would consider him to still be virgin as well. By definition.

 

[elmarko]

Prison rape about power? wrong. prison rape is about sex as they are locked up with no women with nothing to lose. In prison a show of power will be a knife to the throat or a beating generally speaking. Maybe in tv show like oz or prison break its about a show of power.

You sound like an expert. .

On a more serious note, how's that degree in psychology coming along?

 

[Burnsy2023]

I know what you are thinking, why am i an expert on this subject?

You're not an expert on rape. You're not even close. You don't even have a clue.

If I were a mod, I would have closed this thread by now

That's a good idea.