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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022
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What is this picture telling me? Is this how many versions of graphics cards each company released for those series of graphics cards?
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Yep I think thats it.
Some AIBs love to release the same card with the same cooler 4 different times under slightly different product names.
That graphics card manufacturers like to produce lots of "artful" boxes all with essentially the same graphics card inside.
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So those who havn't yet bought a new gen card what would you're requirements be to go AMD this time.
For me if the top card is around the £1000 mark it will be a day one for me as long as it's within 10% of a 4090 (i don't care about Raytracing so it's not a decider for me) Would love for it to be around that price, but with the 4090 starting at £1600 I worry that the starting price would be around £1300 i don't think that would be comperative enough for me to be willing to go team red. At that price I would more be looking at the 2nd from top card, at that point it would probably be a toss up between the 7900xt/7800 and a 3090ti.
Weird generation this time, while very powerful so many are priced out of the cards so the previous generation are looking very very attractive.
For me if the top card is around the £1000 mark it will be a day one for me as long as it's within 10% of a 4090 (i don't care about Raytracing so it's not a decider for me) Would love for it to be around that price, but with the 4090 starting at £1600 I worry that the starting price would be around £1300 i don't think that would be comperative enough for me to be willing to go team red. At that price I would more be looking at the 2nd from top card, at that point it would probably be a toss up between the 7900xt/7800 and a 3090ti.
Weird generation this time, while very powerful so many are priced out of the cards so the previous generation are looking very very attractive.
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Hmmm why does the top AMD card need to be only 1K against the near 2K 4090? (assuming your criteria are met)...?
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I think most people would be like that if they did not subscribe to the locked in eco-system. I think if most games out there were benched on RT comparing the 6900XT with the new 7900XT to demonstrate the uplift you should be able to play these titles well enough.
I mean lets say the 7900XT beat the 3090 in RT by 30% would that be enough to sway the punter?
I mean lets say the 7900XT beat the 3090 in RT by 30% would that be enough to sway the punter?
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I've said this a few times, I genuinely think AMD doesn't give a **** about their PC GPU's, they maintain a presence, and they make good products IMO. But, do they look like they're in a war with NV? do they seem to care if NV get a headstart by months every gen? NOPE. Do they really look top take advantage of NV mis-steps and lunatic pricing? NOPE.
I never sense any urgency or desire from AMD to beat NV in this space, they do things on their own very slow time-table, and IMO they've just accepted the mind-share is too great to overcome.
What are they doing now? sleep-walking from one vague announcement of nothing to the next, it seems like every gen is the same thing, late to market, a tad slower, a tad cheaper, a solid product, and then back to sleep for 2 years gobbing off and RDNA next number and efficiency.
They make themselves tough to root for in this market because they're so lack-lustre in their approach.
dunno but the Navi32 page has been updated:
Apparently N32 = 6950XT speed.
N33 was ~= 6900XT in 1080p according to early rumours, not sure if that will hold though.
I expect full N32 to be about 300W so with the 50% perf/w gain should be about 50% ahead of a 6900XT. There is +/- on this because that depends how high they clock the card. 6700XT they clocked pretty hard and that was closer to a 30% perf/watt increase vs the 5700XT.
In any event I do expect full and cut N32 to be ahead of the 6950XT by a good margin.
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The founders is £1700.
If the AMD equivalent is £1400 or above i don't think it will be worth it over the 4090. While i don't care that much about Raytracing or DLSS that price the Nvidias cards would be worth the extra, i tend to keep GPUS for 4-5 years (Currently using a 1080ti) Because i keep a GPU so long i would probably be relying on the DLSS feature in a few years time to squeeze out those extra frames, (of course this is me not knowing the performance of the AMD equivalent at this time)
For me i see AMD as being Under £1400 would be competative with Nvidia considering the extra features they provide and the fact that they have history on their side for just being better, so for me to even consider AMD i would expect them to be cheaper than £1400, i'm not saying they should be £1000 but it's more that if it was that price it would be an easy day 1 buy for me no considering other products, it's won sale from me.
If the price is above £1400 i wouldn't even consider it let alone considering the top cards this generation. Between £1000 and £1400 i would be leaning towards the top tier from the previous gen, or rather waiting to see how the 6950/3090ti fall over the xmas period to see what becomes the better option.
This is just my personal opinion but i don't consider the current value of the new gen worth it for the performance. I would like AMD to bring the price to more realistic levels, and destroy the competition in value. I'd love AMD to pull a Gen 1 Ryzen scenario over Nvidia.
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I'd want RT parity with Nvidia before I'd consider moving from Nvidia to AMD...or at a minimum, where the difference in FPS is pretty much indistinguishable (3-4fps)
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Minimum 50% improvement on my 6800XT for around £650.
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This is where your standards are going into the unrealistic territory. nvidia had the jump by at least a generation on AMD for this. Whilst I expect them to make big gains initially, the reality is it would take a massive balls up on nvidia to let AMD reach parity so quickly.
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So basically AMD have to give their card away for you to buy one. A familiar narrative.
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It's kinda weird isn't it.
I didn't pay much attention to a 6900/6950 generation, i tend to ony become active when i'm looking to upgrade and buy otherwise it's irrelevent to me how good the product is as i have 0 interest in buying.
But from what I did see (and i say this as someone who is interested in tech, i will follow it, watch reviews etc I just wont be hardcare mode until i'm looking to buy) but regardless it did seem that AMD was reasonably competative for the 6000 series, but like you say, i never really did see much in terms of advertisement or hype come from AMD. At least not at the level of their CPU division.
Now i'm not sure if that's because they don't care or they frankly didn't need to. With the last generation being released at the height of the Cryptoboom, it didn't matter if AMD advertised or not, they would sell out 100% of everything they hard regardless, so did they need to really focus on it, and by the time GPU mining wasn't a thing the next generation was around the corner so it would have been a bit stupid to go full advertisement mode at that point in time.
The 7000 series will be the real test on how much they care, with no more GPU mining the focus is once again on Gamers and Productivity.
I'm not expecting 4090 or 4080 16gb RT levels but at the same time, it needs to be better than ampere RT, if it is only a 5-15% improvement over a 3080/3090 then it will be a big fat meh from me, unless the price is stupidly good....
Only thing that would somewhat keep me locked into nvidia is dlss, FSR 2.1+ is better and will no doubt keep improving but with it not getting into many games officially, it is a big weakness for amd imo.
Frame generation/dlss 3 does sound very good from the end users experience such as bang4buck etc. but alas I'm not paying £1+k on a gpu.
I have no doubts amd will smash raster. probably even surpassing nvidia and doing well enough in RT but just like nvidia, it all depends on pricing, I'm not paying more than £850 at most so this most likely means I won't be getting anything from amd either due to no ***** given about the UK store and amd are also a "premium" brand now too.....
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It varies between individuals what is "worth the extra". To be fair keeping the GPU for that length of time is probably what most did (especially when you invest in the best in class like the 1080ti each effort), the era of upgrading every two years is more or less gone apart from the ultra enthusiast or itchy upgraders. Saying that there is no point in buying a 4090 unless your other system parts are going to utilise it, so a monster cpu should be part of it.
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