RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[Cooper]

I never sense any urgency or desire from AMD to beat NV in this space

I suspect AMD's priority when it comes to GPU tech are the consoles.

For them Its a guaranteed 5-7yr revenue stream and their best people, in a relatively small team compared to Nvidia, are focused on producing the next APU for Sony & Microsoft because losing that contract to Nvidia would be a disaster for them.

 

[kieran_read]

So basically AMD have to give their card away for you to buy one. A familiar narrative.

Not particulary.

You have to bear in mind the generation i come from the 1080ti generation, i bought a top of the line card brand new in the middle of the generation for under £900 i havn't been trained by the Nvidia and AMD corps to buy cards above £1k i didn't buy the more expensive 2000 series, i didn't buy the even more expensive 3000 series and now the 4000 series is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than the previous generation.

Secondly the extremely high prices isn't a result of the cards being worth that much money, it's a result of the shareholders being thirsty for the same level of profits of which they werecollectively circle jerking themselves over thanks to the Crypto mining craze and the insanty of demand. A demand which is no longer there yet they are priced as though it is.

I think the 4090 is far to expensive and should be around the £1300-£1400 mark at best which is where I am coming from with my figures. Which if I apply the same logic I said above, to how i consider my purchases I don't care that much about RT or DLSS but I do give them value over AMD and i would pay a little extra for them if the price is right in this insance about £200 which would mean for me from my perspective AMD would be competative around the £1100 mark (as in i would consider AMD over Nvidia despite not having that feature parity) The price of £1000 comes from my perspective as it's the point where I would most likely no longer consider Nvidia as a viable alternative as I wouldn't consider the extra features as worth the extra money.

To say I want AMD to give me free stuff is beyond a stupid statement, i'm looking at spending more money on a GPU than I ever have in my life, i would hardly consider that asking for free stuff.

The angle you come from it sounds like you would accept any price rises from any company ever and say "well that's what it is ill just pay for it"

I consider Nvidia to be overpriced this generation, I have taken into consideration of what Nvidia should be charging from my own perspetive, i have considered the value i would place on Nvdia features and the premium i would place on them and be willing to spend on said features, i have considered the price i would consider the competition which would be lacking those features to be comperative and finally i have considered what i would think would be a no brainer to buy at a price point should those features not have parity.

Just because i think about how i spend my money, that i think about how much should be priced at for my needs what i would be willing to spend doesn't mean i want free stuff.

If you want to blindly listen to your coroporate overlords telling you how much stuff should be priced and that you will blindly accept them then feel free.

 

[Darujhistan]

It's kinda weird isn't it.

I didn't pay much attention to a 6900/6950 generation, i tend to ony become active when i'm looking to upgrade and buy otherwise it's irrelevent to me how good the product is as i have 0 interest in buying.

But from what I did see (and i say this as someone who is interested in tech, i will follow it, watch reviews etc I just wont be hardcare mode until i'm looking to buy) but regardless it did seem that AMD was reasonably competative for the 6000 series, but like you say, i never really did see much in terms of advertisement or hype come from AMD. At least not at the level of their CPU division.

Now i'm not sure if that's because they don't care or they frankly didn't need to. With the last generation being released at the height of the Cryptoboom, it didn't matter if AMD advertised or not, they would sell out 100% of everything they hard regardless, so did they need to really focus on it, and by the time GPU mining wasn't a thing the next generation was around the corner so it would have been a bit stupid to go full advertisement mode at that point in time.

The 7000 series will be the real test on how much they care, with no more GPU mining the focus is once again on Gamers and Productivity.

I think we'll see another re-run of their recent gens to be honest, a clear pattern has emerged for me.

Thye could be making a killing right now with a full stack release and taking the **** out of NV's 4090 cable disaster and their 4060ti withdrawal, but no, where are they?

Asleep at ther wheel.

 

[markoboyo11]

I'm looking for 2x my 3060ti for under £700. I don't think that's too much to ask for. Considering it basically would be the same price to performance.

 

[Darujhistan]

Not particulary.

You have to bear in mind the generation i come from the 1080ti generation, i bought a top of the line card brand new in the middle of the generation for under £900 i havn't been trained by the Nvidia and AMD corps to buy cards above £1k i didn't buy the more expensive 2000 series, i didn't buy the even more expensive 3000 series and now the 4000 series is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than the previous generation.

Secondly the extremely high prices isn't a result of the cards being worth that much money, it's a result of the shareholders being thirsty for the same level of profits of which they werecollectively circle jerking themselves over thanks to the Crypto mining craze and the insanty of demand. A demand which is no longer there yet they are priced as though it is.

I think the 4090 is far to expensive and should be around the £1300-£1400 mark at best which is where I am coming from with my figures. Which if I apply the same logic I said above, to how i consider my purchases I don't care that much about RT or DLSS but I do give them value over AMD and i would pay a little extra for them if the price is right in this insance about £200 which would mean for me from my perspective AMD would be competative around the £1100 mark (as in i would consider AMD over Nvidia despite not having that feature parity) The price of £1000 comes from my perspective as it's the point where I would most likely no longer consider Nvidia as a viable alternative as I wouldn't consider the extra features as worth the extra money.

To say I want AMD to give me free stuff is beyond a stupid statement, i'm looking at spending more money on a GPU than I ever have in my life, i would hardly consider that asking for free stuff.

The angle you come from it sounds like you would accept any price rises from any company ever and say "well that's what it is ill just pay for it"

I consider Nvidia to be overpriced this generation, I have taken into consideration of what Nvidia should be charging from my own perspetive, i have considered the value i would place on Nvdia features and the premium i would place on them and be willing to spend on said features, i have considered the price i would consider the comperation which would be lacking those features to be comperative and finally i have considered what i would think would be a no brainer to buy at a price point should those features not have parity.

Just because i think about how i spend my money, that i think about how much should be priced at for my needs what i would be willing to spend doesn't mean i want free stuff.

If you want to blindly listen to your coroporate overlords telling you how much stuff should be priced and that you will blindly accept them then feel free.

LMAO.

Come from a true Nvidian who wants AMD to give him within 10% performance for about 30% less..we've heard this tale a million times, however you dress it up, it's AMD have to be bargain bin price.

 

[kieran_read]

It varies between individuals what is "worth the extra". To be fair keeping the GPU for that length of time is probably what most did (especially when you invest in the best in class like the 1080ti each effort), the era of upgrading every two years is more or less gone apart from the ultra enthusiast or itchy upgraders. Saying that there is no point in buying a 4090 unless your other system parts are going to utilise it, so a monster cpu should be part of it.

Well at the moment i play on at 4k (which is a strugle on a 1080ti ill tell you that) but the CPU bottle neck isn't as bad at 4k over the lower resolutions. My 5600x will hold up for a couple more years.
I was going to buy the 7000 series buy my old 1700 and the mobo died on me so i was forced to buy a 5600x to get back up and running. Looking at 4k reviews im not missing out on the current generation performance wise.

I will probably wait a year or 2 for DDR5 systems to mature a little before i upgrade my CPU again.

Ideally my next upgrades will be to get rid of my SSDs and go full M.2 (after the GPU upgrade anyway)

 

[gpuerrilla]

Well at the moment i play on at 4k (which is a strugle on a 1080ti ill tell you that) but the CPU bottle neck isn't as bad at 4k over the lower resolutions. My 5600x will hold up for a couple more years.

Its the continuous pattern though, did you initially have a 5600X before your 1080Ti? Myself I was gaming at 4k60 on a 3600 and a Vega56. I replaced the Vega with a 3090 which I suppose could have 10% more performance if I got a better CPU. However the 10-15% gain in perf by the cpu upgrade isnt worth the £250, but at some point I will have to revisit the build and harmonise the spec again without wasting loads of money.

 

[kieran_read]

LMAO.

Come from a true Nvidian who wants AMD to give him within 10% performance for about 30% less..we've heard this tale a million times, however you dress it up, it's AMD have to be bargain bin price.

However you want to think about it is up to you.

I have clearly stated my workings and my approach, When you remove the value i place on the Nvidia bonus featurs i've only actually said it should be around £100 cheaper, that's not because i think AMD should be cheaper than Nvidia, that's because if two GPUs were the exact same performance i'd just buy the cheaper one.

If they were the same price i'd buy watever is in stock first.

 

[Ross Thomson]

can someone explain why people care about ray tracing? In games I'm too busy playing them to notice fancy reflections. Are people so sucked into to nVidia kool aid they need RT for no apparent reason?

 

[kieran_read]

Its the continuous pattern though, did you initially have a 5600X before your 1080Ti? Myself I was gaming at 4k60 on a 3600 and a Vega56. I replaced the Vega with a 3090 which I suppose could have 10% more performance if I got a better CPU. However the 10-15% gain in perf by the cpu upgrade isnt worth the £250, but at some point I will have to revisit the build and harmonise the spec again without wasting loads of money.

No i was on a 1700x Ryzen first gen. SO the 5600x was a significant upgrade in itself over the 1700x.
It also lasted me around the right amount of time as i would have bought this new gen CPUS
unfortunately it died earlier this year so it ended up being a cheap and cheerful mini upgrade to tide me over for a couple of years.

 

[Nexus18]

can someone explain why people care about ray tracing? In games I'm too busy playing them to notice fancy reflections. Are people so sucked into to nVidia kool aid they need RT for no apparent reason?

I would do some googling and get clued up on what RT is. There is far more to it than just "fancy reflections", it will eventually replace all of raster. effects, shadows, lighting, global illumination just to name the main ones, things have moved on considerably since turing when you only had BF 5 + control.....

Again, don't be fooled by nvidias marketing on it, it isn't a nvidia thing, it is an industry thing, which is being adopted by everyone, this applies to amd, intel, sony, microsoft and even mobile phone chipset makers, it applies to far more outside of gaming too (of which pretty much every engine, development studio has used it in some form to date now), it is used in tv shows, films and just recently those architect programs/designers have adopted it.

 

[gpuerrilla]

can someone explain why people care about ray tracing? In games I'm too busy playing them to notice fancy reflections. Are people so sucked into to nVidia kool aid they need RT for no apparent reason?

This is my observation about AMD being inferior. If they are cheaper, better at raster (which includes the mass majority of games out there) but can do RT to a reasonable degree, then why rule them out each gen?

 

[Ross Thomson]

I would do some googling and get clued up on what RT is. There is far more to it than just "fancy reflections", it will eventually replace all of raster. effects, shadows, lighting, global illumination just to name the main ones.

Again, don't be fooled by nvidias marketing on it, it isn't a nvidia thing, it is an industry thing, which is being adopted by everyone, this applies to amd, intel, sony, microsoft and even mobile phone chipset makers, it applies to far more outside of gaming too (of which pretty much every engine, development studio has used it in some form to date now), it is used in tv shows, films and just recently those architect programs/designers have adopted it.

I've seen the differences and it isn't worth the extra money and power over and AMD card. I know it isn't an nVidia invention etc etc etc.

 

[gpuerrilla]

No i was on a 1700x Ryzen first gen. SO the 5600x was a significant upgrade in itself over the 1700x.
It also lasted me around the right amount of time as i would have bought this new gen CPUS
unfortunately it died earlier this year so it ended up being a cheap and cheerful mini upgrade to tide me over for a couple of years.

Yes so the 1700x and 1080ti were the original 5 years ago right? It's hard to say you upgrade every 5 years if your cpu was upgraded already.. but in any case my take on it is if your going 4090 spend bracket, you are likely to want to upgrade the core components to compliment its sooner rather than later. The chatter has been about what cpu is needed and it looks like a 5600X will not be ideal for sure.

 

[Nexus18]

I've seen the differences and it isn't worth the extra money and power over and AMD card. I know it isn't an nVidia invention etc etc etc.

In your opinion obviously When done right and utilised heavily like in metro ee, cp 2077, chernobylite, DL 2, the ascent, riftbreaker just to name a few, imo it is well worth it. AMD know they need to improve their RT given the way the market is going so I think ultimately, the ones who don't care for it won't have a say in the matter, it's just the nature of the tech industry always evolving and moving onto the next best thing and so on hence why amd also have a ton of sections of RT based articles on their site too as well as improving their drivers where possible, essentially it is only a matter of time where it won't even be a RT VS raster thing either.

Also, in terms of "power", presume you are referring to power consumption? If so, this is where rdna 2 failed big time when it came RT, the power efficiency was terrible for RT workloads compared to ampere, rdna 2 would be using more power and getting considerably less fps especially if there was no FSR to turn on...

Being a pc gamer community where "enthusiasts" live and want the best, it always amazes me to see people so against the advancement in graphics/visuals

 

[kieran_read]

Yes so the 1700x and 1080ti were the original 5 years ago right? It's hard to say you upgrade every 5 years if your cpu was upgraded already.. but in any case my take on it is if your going 4090 spend bracket, you are likely to want to upgrade the core components to compliment its sooner rather than later. The chatter has been about what cpu is needed and it looks like a 5600X will not be ideal for sure.

No it wont be ideal in a couple of years most likely not, but based on the 4090 reviews i've seen it's still competative at 4k so it's not essential yet. If i was still on my 1700 i would have had to upgrade.

The once advantage though if i decide to go AMD they tend to not bottleneck on CPU as quick as Nvidia based on the Hardware UNboxed video.

 

[gpuerrilla]

No it wont be ideal in a couple of years most likely not, but based on the 4090 reviews i've seen it's still competative at 4k so it's not essential yet. If i was still on my 1700 i would have had to upgrade.

The once advantage though if i decide to go AMD they tend to not bottleneck on CPU as quick as Nvidia based on the Hardware UNboxed video.

Its an option and certainly the SAM implementation seems to benefit an all AMD build. You could however sell on and replace the 5600x with a 3D which would help out a 4090.

 

[Ross Thomson]

Being a pc gamer community where "enthusiasts" live and want the best, it always amazes me to see people so against the advancement in graphics/visuals

I'm not against it I just don't see RT as a big deal or a deal breaker.

 

[kieran_read]

Its an option and certainly the SAM implementation seems to benefit an all AMD build. You could however sell on and replace the 5600x with a 3D which would help out a 4090.

Yeh it's been amusing looking at this big great new gen and the 5800x3D has just been a monster it's defo an option when the prices reduce to clearance levels in a couple of gens, a 2nd hand one could be a beasty upgrade

 

[Grim5]

can someone explain why people care about ray tracing? In games I'm too busy playing them to notice fancy reflections. Are people so sucked into to nVidia kool aid they need RT for no apparent reason?

Because the graphics look better

It's like asking why do people care about using high graphics settings instead of low. Or why people will buy a PC that's cost 3 times the price of a PlayStation.