Makes no difference if they do or don't give benchmarks because they are their own numbers.
You only find out weeks later when independent reviews are done if the charts were lies, cherry picked or flawed.
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Makes no difference if they do or don't give benchmarks because they are their own numbers.
You only find out weeks later when independent reviews are done if the charts were lies, cherry picked or flawed.
Indeed. At these prices you should expect performance worse that the 4080 16Gb which is a couple hundred more
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Yeah you can't compare numbers these days it is DLSS or FSR wherever you look. I don't know about DP 2.1 you use it if you need it, why would it be a gimmick? The problem i see is that there are not too many games that need very high refresh at very high res so adding the DP 2.1 is a bit weird but not a gimmick.
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Like CyberPunk 2077, the nVidia favourite go-to! Calls DP 2.1 a gimmick and then goes on about RT performance
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Tell that to all the nvidia fans who beat the CP2077 drum
Some of us have been wanting ray tracing for 20+ years & appreciate the difference.
Doesn't make it the key performance metric for most users, sure... but basic performance for a new AMD flagship just barely above Nvidia's 1/2 size chip, the 4080 - that's something they should be ashamed of... I used to buy ATi cards... when they were relevant.
From the rumours, I was hopeful this could have been a strong showing from them...
... I want them trading blows... in the CPU space, at least, AMD have finally pushed Intel to get moving again... CPU improvements these past few years have been wonderful! I change my CPU and mobo pretty much every year now!
I forget how many years I had a 3.6GHz Ivy Bridge quad core...
I'm still waiting on that free dlc we were promised, I dunno how people are finding replay value in it still.
Who you trying to kid? You'll go XTX. Hell, at £999 I'll go XTX to.
Their numbers looked good for COD MW2 @ 4k. I've gotta use DLSS and turn stuff down to maintain 120 @ 4k on the 3090.
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The core die of Navi 31 is 30% smaller than the AD103 on a slightly worse version of TSMC 5NM. Nvidia is at the reticle limit of TSMC 5NM and had a massive jump from Samsung 8NM to TSMC 4N. The next jump won't be as big. So AMD is competing with a smaller core die and a few tiny memory dies made on 6NM. This is pretty much a Zen/Zen2 moment.
How is Nvidia going to compete with these large monolithic dies,unless they move onto chiplets soon?
AMD is giving 50% to 70% performance jumps over it's last flagship at $899~$999. Nvidia was trying to sell a RTX4080 12GB for the same price mere weeks ago.
Nvidia is charging $1300 for that "small die" and $1650 for it's "large die" because it made too many Ampere dGPUs and wants to preserve margins. The yields on AD103 are probably worse than the Navi 31 core die.
As usual more people defending prices of Nvidia,because it must be the "fault" of AMD. It was the same with Zen/Zen+ because Intel had the edge in single core performance and gaming. But we saw where the modular Zen cores would lead AMD.
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If they weren't trading blows then why is Nvidia putting out these chunky performers so early when they could just do what Intel did for years with minimal improvements?
I mean they aren't doing it for charity so something must have spooked them.
I mean they aren't doing it for charity so something must have spooked them.
Imo this generation makes no sense for you as a 3080 owner, except if you want just way more performance, which really means 4090 as everything else from Nvidia will be overpriced for the specs, and RDNA 3 barely caught up to what you already have if we add RTX. I'd say even more so because I think they will do a refresh after a year, and the price/perf will be way better.
I'm not defending anyone, just talking about the situation at hand. You're right that lower the down the stack the situation is brutal though, Nvidia happily squeezing blood from a stone there, so AMD has more of a shot, but that's months away until we see lower end cards, plus the used market is very appealing so not much reason to wait for them.
Yeah, but we're talking about the already existing RT modes first; even there RDNA 3 is way behind. Also I can't agree on Overdrive, I think it's great to see games get way higher fidelity modes, and since I love the game I'm definitely grateful to see it get upgrades. Hell, why can't AMD do that in other titles that might favour them?! Instead they pay for nothing. Can't see why that's better.
We literally have official numbers from AMD themselves.
Better visuals = more expensive to render. Same as it is with raster, or do you think the non-RT equivalents like PCSS, VXAO, planar reflections, etc. are not resource hogs? Like it or not that's why people are upgrading to high-end GPUs, for prettier graphics. RT is transformative & is now widespread. This ain't 2018 anymore.
No one's asking for that. They can't seem to offer 4090 performance for any amount of money atm, that's the sad part.
Quite... DP2.1 is irrelevant when the performance doesn't keep up with it.
The 4090 doesn't max out my 5120x1440 screen at full 240Hz... at least in the games I play.
The very small percentage of e-sport competitors who can take advantage of 400Hz+ 4k gameplay in the competitive games must be such a small market share... the top-tier GPU users are already a tiny part of the market.
It amazes me people are wanting to pay 4090 prices. The words "****** stupid" comes to mind.
Well considering the large price gap between the 2 high ends it leaves space for a 7950 at some point.
I know it's a tech demo, and this technically hurts the RTX 4090 going by the unusually low fps, but timestamped here is what a future engine does when ray tracing is set to off - aka visual quality nose dives to becoming un-look-at-able:
600 fps in DP 2.1 pure raster Fortnite offers no protection versus this potential future issue where raster becomes obsolete and FPS will be locked at whatever ray tracing power the GPU can deliver.
600 fps in DP 2.1 pure raster Fortnite offers no protection versus this potential future issue where raster becomes obsolete and FPS will be locked at whatever ray tracing power the GPU can deliver.
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I smell the return of a dual gpu single card
that will destroy 4090 and 4090ti. Maybe as it is now with twice the shader chips or two separate full gpus they have now on one card with some clever link so it shows up as a single gpu to the system.
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Cheaper faster cards = ocuk moaning like a bitch 
Not likely with recessions imminent and downturn on the pc market as a wholeI smell the return of a dual gpu single card
Im hoping the AIBs have a 450w bios to really show what these new gpus are capable off
1.7X means it's just under a 4090 for raster while having similar RT to a 3090.
You have to remember that few people buy 4090 and everything under that from nvidia is looking ****.
The 4080 is only 60% of the speed of a 4090 and will cost $200 more than the the 7900xtx which should be around 90-95% in raster.
The unlaunched 4080 12gb was only 10% faster than a 3080 and nvidia wanted $900 for that, the 7900XT should be around 65% faster in raster than a 3080.
The 4070 will be a cut down of the spec that nvidia was going to use for the 4080 12gb so probably won't even be faster than a 3080 and I doubt that'll be $500 while AMDs 7700XT should be faster than a 6950XT so nvidia has raster price performance issues with ADA.
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