RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[TNA]

So what have we learned so far?.

With AMD you need to compromise on RT.

With ADA cards below the 4090 you need to compromise on raster.

If you don't want to compromise on either RT and raster then you need to compromise your wallet.

Or just skip a gen which is what I will be doing. I am sure it will be safe to upgrade next gen

 

[TNA]

Initially disapointed with this launch, after some thinking what I really want from a GPU it's exactly what AMD seem to be offering with RDNA 3.

1. Good raster performance at 1440p.
2. PRICE.
3. Don't care about RT, don't care about DLSS or FSR either. Don't care about encoding etc, so all those kind of features are worthless to me.

Judging by price and some rough guesswork about raster, I'm going to be able to buy sometime next year either a decently priced mid-range card 7700XT or 7800XT, or NV's alternative if they're priced right.

Are they giving it away though?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So, what I am hearing, is that it was AMD's active choice to under-perform / under-achieve.

If that's the case, then we are back to the idea that Lisa is purposefully leading AMD's GPU division to failure & acting to not exceed the performance of her uncle's company... if it could be proven, that would be quite a significant antitrust/anti-competitive class action lawsuit.

Did you listen to the presentation details - a lot of what they were talking about was about cost effectiveness and maximising performance per transistor and transistor density. These are exactly the same things they did with Zen and Zen2. The reality is that process nodes are getting more and more expensive,and it's taking longer for nodes to get to maturity. Not all logic shrinks equally - Nvidia is throwing huge amounts of transistors/die area at the problem like Intel is. The jump from Samsung 8NM(a 10NM class node) to TSMC 4N(5NM) was a big increase,which won't be repeated with TSMC 3NM.

The thing is the way AMD has put poorly scaling logic on TSMC 6NM,means they can re-use the same memory chiplets for different dGPUs down the stack. So what is going to happen,is that next generation AMD will go with multiple core die chiplets. This is the issue Nvidia has - unless they are going to do the same with TSMC 3NM,it might be another 600MM2 £2000 dGPU. AMD,OTH might just build a few 200MM2 core chiplets and stack them like with newer Zen designs and be able to charge less for their dGPUs at similar margins.

Thereby like with Zen,AMD can use one basic core die and one basic memory controller/cache die for multiple designs. I think that is the future plan. This series seems more like the MK1.5 test where they use one core chiplet and separate the memory controller/cache into their own chiplets.

 

[Darujhistan]

Are they giving it away though?

Not enough for my taste!

 

[ade64]

might be tempted if i can get a decent amd card significantly faster than my 3070, only have a 1440p monitor and dont play many rt games.

 

[Wucked]

I know it's a tech demo, and this technically hurts the RTX 4090 going by the unusually low fps, but timestamped here is what a future engine does when ray tracing is set to off - aka visual quality nose dives to becoming un-look-at-able:

600 fps in DP 2.1 pure raster Fortnite offers no protection versus this potential future issue where raster becomes obsolete and FPS will be locked at whatever ray tracing power the GPU can deliver.

Blah blah 'potential future issue'..? I recently purchased Assassins Creed Oddessy on the cheap and played it through. Loved it! 3440x1440 high settings ~60fps no RT, got 160 hours of fun out of it. The sky didn't fall down, God didn't smite me, and cats didn't **** dogs in the street. RT is a great thing, but raster isn't suddenly going obsolete because of 4090.

 

[TNA]

Not enough for my taste! no!

Too funny seeing their price after you went on the way you did a couple of days ago. But yea, still way too expensive due to our crappy pound. These will be £1000-£1100. They can keep it. Let’s see what’s on offer in the £500-£600 range next year.

 

[cliffy]

Most rumours about the card that i saw seem to of been accurate over the last few days except clock speeds of over 3Ghz. Makes me wonder if AIBs will put a third 8 pin on the PCB and crank the juice upto 450W to achieve this? Also i would guess there is the 7950XT(X) still to come once the ti variants are released by Nvidia. Also i thought i heard somewhere about 3D VCAHCE versions of these cards coming out at some point to. Will be interesting to see if the FSR3 2X performacnce of FSR2 comes to pass as that would surely bring it level with Nvidia if todays figures were only based on FSR 2.2. As a current Nvidia user the one thing i will say about AMD GPU's is they always seem to get sizeable performance bumps with new drivers further down the line This gen could get really interesting.

 

[ICDP]

I count at least 4 Nvidia sleeper cells who have come out in force to insist the 7900XT and XTX are ****. This is on top of the usual Nvidiamentalists who seem to be on the payroll and told to just keep repeating the letters RT over and over.

My take on 7900 is, faster in raster than the 4080 16 GB and as fast as 3090 in RT. All for a lot less than the 4080 16GB and the same price as the now cancelled 4080 40870 4060 12GB that was bareley faster than the 3080 for a lot more money.

Funny the same people were saying RTX 3080 RT was perfectly adequate until very recenty. Suddenly it's crap and not worth having.

AMD have done what most rational people expected, released a GPU that matches their previous gen, with ~50% + better performance in raster and RT. Not only that they did it with the same power requirements and the same MSRP.

But yeah, you suck AMD.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Too funny seeing their price after you went on the way you did a couple of days ago. But yea, still way too expensive due to our crappy pound. These will be £1000-£1100. They can keep it. Let’s see what’s on offer in the £500-£600 range next year.

The problem is AMD just needed to not increase their high end dGPU pricing to instantly win the value for money argument. They don't need to even try when Nvidia tries to rebadge the RTX4060 12GB to £900 and the best sub £1000 Nvidia dGPU still seems to be an RTX3080TI!

Nvidia have made a £1000 dGPU look reasonable because their dGPU pricing is ludicrous.

 

[gpuerrilla]

So basically another person who defended Nvidia jacking up prices massively this generation,but when AMD doesn't do it,they are overpriced and its their fault.

The same thing like what happened with Kepler or Turing.

Maybe if Nvidia actually priced its RTX4070 at RTX3070 prices,and didn't try to sell its RTX3060 replacement as a £1000 dGPU people then people might care.

Yep. Hidden in plain sight!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yep. Hidden in plain sight!

Exactly! It annoys me because £1000 is way more than I would spend on a dGPU myself but Nvidia pushing their dGPUs way above that,and rebranding RTX3060 replacements for £900 affects mainstream gamers like me. In the end they would have tried to sell us an RTX3050 replacement for RTX3060TI or RTX3070 money. I don't give a flying fig about the RTX4090 RT performance - Nvidia keeps trying to push towards $2000 for a dGPU. It ends up pushing up dGPU pricing at all tiers.

So AMD does have an expensive dGPU,but at least it means there is some hope in the mainstream markets,because it will at least constrain mainstream dGPU prices to last generation RRPs. Cheaper would be better,but the "market leader" Nvidia is trying to do Turing MK2 so no help there.

 

[Gerard]

I count at least 4 Nvidia sleeper cells who have come out in force to insist the 7900XT and XTX are ****. This is on top of the usual Nvidiamentalists who seem to be on the payroll and told to just keep repeating the letters RT over and over.

Indeed, some pretty recently made accounts spouting some crap, spotted them as well.

 

[Purgatory]

Just caught up with the event. Seems decent to me. Sure RT performance improvemen is disappointing, but raster seems like will be quite good. Price in dollars seems relatively good. Shame it will translate into £1100 here though.


What I want to know is, what’s the consensus here? Is AMD giving these cards away?

Good product for a good price, need to wait for reviews but looking good to me.

Says the guy that paid £1400 for a 3090. Gift that keeps on giving you are mate

Spoiler

 

[stooeh]

Prices look decent well dollar prices at least. UK availability and the GBP probably push it out of reach for me

 

[ICDP]

The problem is AMD just needed to not increase their high end dGPU pricing to instantly win the value for money argument. They don't need to even try when Nvidia tries to rebadge the RTX4060 12GB to £900 and the best sub £1000 Nvidia dGPU still seems to be an RTX3080TI!

Nvidia have made a £1000 dGPU look reasonable because their dGPU pricing is ludicrous.

AMD probably couldn't believe their luck when Nvidia set the 4080 prices like they did. They had an open goal to undercut Nvidia's massively overpriced mid tier and AMD have taken their chance.

 

[TNA]

Looking forward to the reviews and actual UK pricing. These should wipe the floor with the 4080. People will still justify going 4080 due to RT and DLSS 3. Though just the Nvidia badge would probably be enough.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I count at least 4 Nvidia sleeper cells who have come out in force to insist the 7900XT and XTX are ****. This is on top of the usual Nvidiamentalists who seem to be on the payroll and told to just keep repeating the letters RT over and over.

PMSL.

Funny the same people were saying RTX 3080 RT was perfectly adequate until very recenty. Suddenly it's crap and not worth having.

But this, this is exactly the status quo. ^

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

AMD probably couldn't believe their luck when Nvidia set the 4080 prices like they did. They had an open goal to undercut Nvidia's massively overpriced mid tier and AMD have taken their chance.

People complaining the RX7900XTX costs too much,have Nvidia to blame for this. It was the same with the RX5700XT. Apparently it might have been an RX690 according to leaks,but Nvidia did Turing and AMD could charge a bit more than what they thought and still look "decent" value.

Nvidia repeatedly keeps doing this.

 

[Minusorange]

The prices are still absurd, RIP to the days of getting a decent card for under £500, things are supposed to get easier and cheaper to make as we advance, yet AMD & Nvidia with their duopoly seem to be on the same page with their price fixing