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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022
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I think they learnt from their past "marketing" antics, remember the "poor volta" days
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I have the same feeling unfortunately. If they would have something to compete with 4090, they would tease something to stop impulsive buyers.
The whole 0,1% of them who can afford such a card?
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Sure seems that way, unless it's just AMD marketing not knowing their arse from their elbow as per.
Agree however the time to tease would be a day before the order/review embargo day for 4090, not earlier. Let the negative press about pricing, size and heat of these devices linger for a while longer and then drop the bomb before reviews are out.
If they don't do anything until 4090 releases, then yeah I'd agree with this.
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I don't fully agree with that myself, if you look at the rumoured hardware specs alone there is a significant uplift in the raw compute/cache and clock AMD are bringing to RDNA3 along with the efficiency bump. They are also rumoured to be offering DP 2.0 ports.
All we really have (as of Sat am 8th Oct) is MLID saying 4090 is better than expected implying a bit of sand bagging going on, we should know early next week. The Nvidia launch slides said 70% gain in rasterization, AMD rumours have been talking about 110% that is quite some difference but until we see gaming performance its impossible to make an informed decision and that will be on AMDs head if they choose to continue with this secret squirrel bs.
What I find super frustrating and where I do agree with you is why are AMD still being quiet about it, I get it that it makes sense to them and they probably want to see the real world reviews in order to get their narrative and price position right but as a potential customer of N31 here I don't appreciate being in the dark when the 4090 launches. Imho (speaking for myself here but there must be others like me) if AMD want to proper launch mid-Nov fine but they need to be telling me something on rasterisation performance before Wed afternoon.... otherwise I could be lost to them from 2yrs until RDNA4 and btw me not going RDNA3 will factor into my thinking on AM5 as well.
So if AMD want to sell me Zen4 3d vcache next year on AM5 they could potentially seal that deal now with RDNA3.
Reality is that there will be thousands of buyers in the UK alone
The silence from AMD is frustrating.
Originally I was hoping for a 4090, then the prices were revealed which put me off, now I’ve just seen that MLID video which states the 4090 performance is a massive bump over last gen, just the pricing still an issue, and at the end a whisper that RDNA3 may be competitive.
Give us something please AMD or you’re going to lose a lot of potential customers to Nvidia yet again before they’ve even launched their products.
Originally I was hoping for a 4090, then the prices were revealed which put me off, now I’ve just seen that MLID video which states the 4090 performance is a massive bump over last gen, just the pricing still an issue, and at the end a whisper that RDNA3 may be competitive.
Give us something please AMD or you’re going to lose a lot of potential customers to Nvidia yet again before they’ve even launched their products.
What potential customers are they losing?
Most 4090 buyers are not potential AMD customers.
Those who are buying a 4080 need to wait till after the announcement anyway.
Yeah it sucks there is nothing to talk about, but it makes the most business sense for them to be quiet. Apart from letting the spotlight shine on Nvidia problems it gives Nvidia less time to react.
Most 4090 buyers are not potential AMD customers.
Those who are buying a 4080 need to wait till after the announcement anyway.
Yeah it sucks there is nothing to talk about, but it makes the most business sense for them to be quiet. Apart from letting the spotlight shine on Nvidia problems it gives Nvidia less time to react.
AMD has every reason *not* to talk up RDNA3, even if it's a winner. They want to hold off to see if the market will support the outlandish 4-series prices. If the market does eat up 4090/4080 16gb/4060 ti for the markup over last gen, both they and nV win. It's the somewhat nefarious (depending on your point of view) but long-game outlook compared to trying to eek out a bit of short-term market share.
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They won't, their marketing dept is *trash* and always has been (on the gpu side of things at least).
Well if the top RDNA3 card trumps the 4090 at raster, potentially quite a few customers I would have thought.
Personally, I don’t know anyone that exclusively buys one brand over the other, we all just want the best performance, or potentially the best performance per buck.
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Good point. Just like Zen 4 is sitting on the shelves (despite lots of retailers suggesting before launch that they will fly and will be out of stock within minutes), that didn't happen. The idea that market is insensitive to prices is just bonkers. If 4090 was £1000 instead of £2000 there would be a lot of pressure on AMD to reveal something, but now there isn't.
The same thing could very well happen to 4090. A £2000 GPU is not going to be an instant-buy for many former high-end buyers during a cost of living crisis so AMD can wait and see how the market reacts.
Lots of 4090 buyers would be doing it for professional reasons (i.e. for CUDA) rather than gaming and they are not potential AMD buyers as a lot of those workloads are not easy/cheap/efficient to transfer to AMD.
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Considering the time served here was going to ask if you were new around here!
Fair point but I was talking about people I know, not random people I argue with online!
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When 3080/3090's had actual performance from independent reviews listed, some on here were saying the 6900X was going to blow the 3090 out of the water, as they knew someone at AMD.
Guess as the few companies do the wafer fabricating, that is where the limits lie for performance. Nvidia & AMD just have different designs and technologies they give to the likes of TMSC, so unless one's design is poor, then you may see red far surpass green, or visa versa. But in the grand scheme of things, near as makes no difference - pure raster performance is all but the same for more recent generations. Unless AMD have made a poor design, I imagine their top card will be up there with the 4090. 4000 performance stats from Nvidia currently is only around DLSS 3.0 and other technologies.
As you say, it comes down to price at the end of the day, when they are close then it's technologies like RT.
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Yes, aware of that but most people we know IRL are grounded or not obsessed with pc's. On this forum where you are posting the message its the polar opposite from my experience.
Yes, aware of that but most people we know IRL are grounded or not obsessed with pc's. On this forum where you are posting the message its the polar opposite from my experience.
25 years of working in IT and fixing PC’s, most of my friends are PC obsessed. Ofc I can’t speak for everyone else.
Never understood brand loyalty, the businesses certainly don’t show any!
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Very similar, they all should get the same scrutiny. Never understood this apologist mentality. Although the £300 best bang for buck GPU purchases seem to be a thing of the past now.
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