RDNA2 Refresh for 2022 6x50XT cards

[Tired9]

SAM is very impressive. Image scaling/sharpening isn't new, both companies had existing features at driver level which they improved and re-packaged. AMD have caught up on raster performance which is promising for 7000series as they can now focus on refinement.. although leaks are suggesting that they're taking raster to the moon

I agree with you.

Nvidia had the ability sort of hidden in the driver to create any kind of resolution you want and have it scale to your screen via GPU scaling.

 

[sparkymark75]

AMD either needs to be 15% faster on raster for the same price or price the cards around 15% cheaper for the same raster as Nvidia cards currently offer the superior RT and have DLSS + nvenc. If they can offer that then I may bite.

No you wouldn't. AMD having to offer something faster for the same price or be substantially cheaper just shows your bias will always lead you to nVidia. Which is your choice, but don't kid on. In the past few years I've had a 2080Ti, 6800 XT, 3090 FE and now have a 6900 XT. I prefer the 6900 XT as it offers better performance in the games I play. I have zero need for DLSS or RT (not sure why AMD would offer nvenc as that's just nVidias name for a video encoder which AMD already has).

 

[Joxeon]

No you wouldn't. AMD having to offer something faster for the same price or be substantially cheaper just shows your bias will always lead you to nVidia. Which is your choice, but don't kid on. In the past few years I've had a 2080Ti, 6800 XT, 3090 FE and now have a 6900 XT. I prefer the 6900 XT as it offers better performance in the games I play. I have zero need for DLSS or RT (not sure why AMD would offer nvenc as that's just nVidias name for a video encoder which AMD already has).

If a competitor offers a product with the same raster performance but a better feature set for around the same price then it makes sense to go for that.

It's not bias just common sense, I upgraded from a 1070ti that I bought used for £250 around the launch of the RTX2060 when those were selling new for £400 as I didn't think the extra features were worth the 50%+ premium and then managed to get a 3080 for £650 which gave me a 120% bump to raster and extras like RT and DLSS so getting the best value for money when I do upgrade is an important factor whereas you've had 4 cards in the last few years and 3 of them are within 15% of the performance of each other so it's probably not such a priority for you.

 

[random_matt]

Unlikely I'll be upgrading for a long time, maybe RTX 4000 will be cheap upon RTX 5000 release.

 

[gpuerrilla]

It's not bias just common sense, I upgraded from a 1070ti that I bought used for £250 around the launch of the RTX2060 when those were selling new for £400 as I didn't think the extra features were worth the 50%+ premium and then managed to get a 3080 for £650 which gave me a 120% bump to raster and extras like RT and DLSS so getting the best value for money when I do upgrade is an important factor whereas you've had 4 cards in the last few years and 3 of them are within 15% of the performance of each other so it's probably not such a priority for you.

And there is the mastery of Jensen. You and many others have shelled out £650 when in times gone by were capping the spend to around £250. Regardless of what excuses people pull out of the hat, you have more than doubled your spend when upgrading and only received a 120% bump for that outlay. If anyone thinks they are getting a bargain this generation then there is nothing more to say on it.

 

[sparkymark75]

And there is the mastery of Jensen. You and many others have shelled out £650 when in times gone by were capping the spend to around £250. Regardless of what excuses people pull out of the hat, you have more than doubled your spend when upgrading and only received a 120% bump for that outlay. If anyone thinks they are getting a bargain this generation then there is nothing more to say on it.

And all the upgrades were Team Green.

 

[Game]

I don't really need RT - its nice if it's there and can be used while still getting decent FPS but I am definitely a DLSS convert. No idea what I'll get next time round, might be be priced out of my reach anyway with pants availability!

Intel should be a big player by then

 

[gpuerrilla]

And all the upgrades were Team Green.

Nothing to say on this but if you go back to 2019/20 you will see my thoughts on that. This is why we could accept the bias when there were only 5700XT to pester the 2080/Super/Ti so you could accept the critique to some degree, however when you have 6800/XT/6900 which in some games now comfortably beats nvidia's offerings it still shows that mindshare is never going to turn the tides as people are obviously not impartial/neutral as they let on. The only thing going against AMD this gen is the pricing. I still think even if AMD were 10% cheaper in the tiers people would still buy nvidia as stereotype is unfortunately accurate.

 

[sparkymark75]

Nothing to say on this but if you go back to 2019/20 you will see my thoughts on that. This is why we could accept the bias when there were only 5700XT to pester the 2080/Super/Ti so you could accept the critique to some degree, however when you have 6800/XT/6900 which in some games now comfortably beats nvidia's offerings it still shows that mindshare is never going to turn the tides as people are obviously not impartial/neutral as they let on. The only thing going against AMD this gen is the pricing. I still think even if AMD were 10% cheaper in the tiers people would still buy nvidia as stereotype is unfortunately accurate.

This post on Reddit shows the average price to performance for GPUs across the EU.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/smlq76/gpu_performance_vs_price_europe

 

[gpuerrilla]

That is always irrelevant @sparkymark75 as well on this forum anyway people only use FE prices and maintain that is the standard nvidia price so it will always trump an AMD component im afraid.

If you used the AIB only prices then it could be a better story.

 

[KompuKare]

And there is the mastery of Jensen. You and many others have shelled out £650 when in times gone by were capping the spend to around £250. Regardless of what excuses people pull out of the hat, you have more than doubled your spend when upgrading and only received a 120% bump for that outlay. If anyone thinks they are getting a bargain this generation then there is nothing more to say on it.

I've been saying two things during this GPU shortage which have mostly fallen on deaf ears:
1) The shortages has been a really big upsell strategy as people have spend way outside of their previous comfort zone and been happy with the bargain they got (mostly FE, those who paid full scalped retail were less happy!).
2) Tons of GPUs have made it into the hands of gamers (witness the Steam survey) so while mining has made things substantially worse, the "because I'm worth it" gamers have enabled a lot of this scalping. Also, gamers expecting to upgrade every 1/2/3 years were definitely spoiled and, shock horror, "entitled". Obviously the chancers who though they had a right to buy 10s, 100s, 1000s of GPUs to use as a money printing machine are also "entitled", but it's hardly a competition.

 

[gpuerrilla]

@KompuKare there are normal folk out there that just understand! I am at peace for a moment knowing there are others..

 

[Joxeon]

And there is the mastery of Jensen. You and many others have shelled out £650 when in times gone by were capping the spend to around £250. Regardless of what excuses people pull out of the hat, you have more than doubled your spend when upgrading and only received a 120% bump for that outlay. If anyone thinks they are getting a bargain this generation then there is nothing more to say on it.

The trouble is that now £250 only gets you dross like the 6500XT which is much slower than the 1070ti I bought over 3 years ago so I'm glad I upped my budget for a 100%+ upgrade as I'd made that saving by skipping the previous gen cards and going used.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I know, I was a happy £250 range buyer myself, last card hitting the upper end of that with a vega56 on offer at £299. Years before this the previous top end was again about that price but a 290X. As you can see the pricing has ballooned and now for that price you get an entry level dGPU!!

The only sane way I can absorb the situation is luckily for me I have been into crypto for years and it has been subsidised.

 

[LtMatt]

I know, I was a happy £250 range buyer myself, last card hitting the upper end of that with a vega56 on offer at £299. Years before this the previous top end was again about that price but a 290X. As you can see the pricing has ballooned and now for that price you get an entry level dGPU!!

The only sane way I can absorb the situation is luckily for me I have been into crypto for years and it has been subsidised.

Your wife is a keeper mate, tbf.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Your wife is a keeper mate, tbf.

Absolutely this round. Came a shocker to me so think I'm now spoiled and likely be high end as best possible unless I go full console and forget about pc gaming.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well in terms of dGPUs I saw mates actually purchase this generation - RTX3060TI/RX6600/RX6600XT. All for between £330~£420(top end was an AIB RTX3060TI),but some of them had owned £350 class dGPUs,or keep stuff for a long time. Think the RX6600 and RX6600XT cards were all below £350.

People have sort of forgotten the RX480 8GB and GTX1060 8GB models once you got outside the initial launch stock of reference models were around £250ish,and closer to £300 for fancier models. The RX480 4GB quietly got supplanted by the RX470 4GB and RX470 8GB.

The RX5600XT was £280~£300 as it was fighting the slightly more expensive RTX2060. But the reference cooler on the RX5000 series got such a bad rep,the reference RX5700 was as low as £250ish at one point(and cost less than an AIB RX5600XT!). It was the best bargain of the Turing and Navi MK1 generation IMHO.

The RX5600XT/RX5700/RX5700XT were all using 250MM2 sized dies - the RX5700 series were really the replacements for the RX480/RX580 in some ways. Just you need to thank Nvidia for the initial Turing launch which allowed AMD to compete with their Polaris replacement at a much higher level than before.

In some ways the pre-2021 Ampere launch was closer to what Turing should have been. The $399 RTX3060TI was what the RTX2060 Super should have been,ie,a 104 die. A 104 die was used by the $330~$350 GTX970. The Turing price escalation is there,but at least you got a higher tier chip.

But post 2020,the entire line-ups have regressed to a worse level than Turing and that is saying something!

 

[TrojanWhore]

I've always previously stuck to around £350 as my limit....I paid £420 I think for my 1070 but it came with a free PSU (which is still unused in my cupboard lmao).
Was prepared to pay around 600 for a 6800XT this time round, but when they came out at £680 I baulked and was gonna wait for prices to settle, but then the world went mad and now can't even afford that. Not willing to pay 700+ for a 6700xt so have now resigned myself to wait indefinitely and probably pick up something second hand in a year or two.
I'd probably still take a 3060ti (FE) at MSRP but I'm not willing to pay £400+ for a 128bit card

edit: sorry, that's all horribly off topic but yeah, I don't think a potential 6850/6950 is gonna bring anything in to my price range

 

[Joxeon]

Well in terms of dGPUs I saw mates actually purchase this generation - RTX3060TI/RX6600/RX6600XT. All for between £330~£420(top end was an AIB RTX3060TI),but some of them had owned £350 class dGPUs,or keep stuff for a long time. Think the RX6600 and RX6600XT cards were all below £350.

People have sort of forgotten the RX480 8GB and GTX1060 8GB models once you got outside the initial launch stock of reference models were around £250ish,and closer to £300 for fancier models. The RX480 4GB quietly got supplanted by the RX470 4GB and RX470 8GB.

The RX5600XT was £280~£300 as it was fighting the slightly more expensive RTX2060. But the reference cooler on the RX5000 series got such a bad rep,the reference RX5700 was as low as £250ish at one point(and cost less than an AIB RX5600XT!). It was the best bargain of the Turing and Navi MK1 generation IMHO.

The RX5600XT/RX5700/RX5700XT were all using 250MM2 sized dies - the RX5700 series were really the replacements for the RX480/RX580 in some ways. Just you need to thank Nvidia for the initial Turing launch which allowed AMD to compete with their Polaris replacement at a much higher level than before.

In some ways the pre-2021 Ampere launch was closer to what Turing should have been. The $399 RTX3060TI was what the RTX2060 Super should have been,ie,a 104 die. A 104 die was used by the $330~$350 GTX970. The Turing price escalation is there,but at least you got a higher tier chip.

But post 2020,the entire line-ups have regressed to a worse level than Turing and that is saying something!

The trouble is that price performance in the GPU market has been stagnating for the last 5 years or so especially at the lower end where the same money tends to get you a lower tier down every generation which isn't much faster than the tier up from the previous gen while at the higher end prices keep ballooning and dragging everything else up so really you're forced to spend more else you don't even end up getting much better than you had before.

 

[Gerard]

What a refresh of these going to bring? Bit of a clock and ram speed bump and that's yer lot. Better off waiting for the 7 series and next nvidia cards