real world difference - amd vs intel?

[bfar]

if he has seen a properly setup Intel ,and still says that Intel are crap, then we must have to come to the obvious conclusion that he is talking out of his arse.

Nah, the AMD's are sometimes better at certain specialised tasks, thats hardly suprising in my view.

The C2D's are generally a lot nippier, particularly for games and home apps, but there's always going to be things that they'll fall behind on, they're only general purpose cpus after all.... its depends on what you use them for.

 

[FatRakoon]

Oh no... I fully agree.

I have posted about this previously and that thread was eventually closed but many people would not accept my proposals when I was running a ridiculously stupid ammount of apps, I found that the AMD was able to handle them all a lot better than my conroe could.

The conroe on the other hand was vastrly superior for a small number of tasks, and of course, the particular tasks, would play a large role in the results.

Now, my point you are referring to, was that dark4orz has said that Intel are crap.... No reason, just his view.

Now, I too have to say that compared to my AMDs I have not seen an intel that has been better than it... Until I was able to really go at it with my prescot 660 and use a good motherboard & Ram.. .Before that, I was only partially impressed and only by the CPU not by anything else.

But to say Intels are crap without offering a reason, is a bit silly.

And this is coming from someone who hates Intels... Or at least did until only a few months ago.

 

[Quixote]

It's true, if you exclude overclocking, the X2's can still be a better choice for certain tasks.
The most recent custom PC tested all the current CPU's & at stock vs stock, a 4200+ beats a e6300 at Cinebench rendering & the heavy multi-tasking benchmark, while being cheaper. As does the 4600+ against the e6400.
Now of course, there is much more overclocking headroom with the core 2 duo's, so they deserve their props from the enthusiast community. However, the way some people say 'don't even consider an x2 over a core 2 duo' in reply to people who aren't overclocking & don't use their machine primarily for gaming seems a little extreme.

 

[FatRakoon]

Aye, thats one thing that really gets on my goat.

I suppose Im lucky in a way, because I have loads of PCs... None are extremely high end, but all are well above average, only 2 are Intels ( [email protected] & [email protected] ) and all the rest are AMD ( 2xSocket A + 1x754 + 9x939 ) and while the CPU of the 6300 and even the P4 to a leser extent are quicker than the AMDs are, the AMDs are much better able to cope with masses of multiple tasks going on all around it.

It really gets on my nerves when so many people are so quick to call people stupid for wanting to buy AMDs.

Ok, if you fancy clocking it, then the C2D are a faster option, but just look how many people are posting about problem this or issue that with their conroes... When it boils down to it, I am still an AMD fan over the Intels.

 

[james.miller]

Aye, thats one thing that really gets on my goat.

I suppose Im lucky in a way, because I have loads of PCs... None are extremely high end, but all are well above average, only 2 are Intels ( [email protected] & [email protected] ) and all the rest are AMD ( 2xSocket A + 1x754 + 9x939 ) and while the CPU of the 6300 and even the P4 to a leser extent are quicker than the AMDs are, the AMDs are much better able to cope with masses of multiple tasks going on all around it.

you still insist that but your the only one saying it. i dont know anybody else who has experianced this.

Ok, if you fancy clocking it, then the C2D are a faster option, but just look how many people are posting about problem this or issue that with their conroes... When it boils down to it, I am still an AMD fan over the Intels.

you're looking at the wrong forums for an unbiased opinion. this is an enthusiast's forums and as such peopel will be using whatevers the best at the time. this time last year everybody was asking questions and having problems with AMD's. no doubt the masses will change direction again in the future.

i'm a 'fan' of no particular company or technology. I'd like to think this helps me keep an unbiased opinion

 

[FatRakoon]

you still insist that but your the only one saying it. i dont know anybody else who has experianced this.

Perhaps you dont know, but everyone who has compared them have seen it.
There are also a lot of official tests that have shown this too! - Again, only as I said, under Masses of Multitasking, which most users will never need.

you're looking at the wrong forums for an unbiased opinion. this is an enthusiast's forums and as such peopel will be using whatevers the best at the time. this time last year everybody was asking questions and having problems with AMD's. no doubt the masses will change direction again in the future.

i'm a 'fan' of no particular company or technology. I'd like to think this helps me keep an unbiased opinion

Im not looking for an unbiased opinion at all?

Im just sick of the vast majority of people who seem to think that the C2D is the be all and end all of computers.

Not everyone wants or needs the fastest thing out there, and you can knock up a basic AMD4 for a lot less than you can a basic C2D, so sometimes an AMD is still a better option.

 

[james.miller]

Perhaps you dont know, but everyone who has compared them have seen it.
There are also a lot of official tests that have shown this too! - Again, only as I said, under Masses of Multitasking, which most users will never need.

Could you show me these tests then? what do you mean by 'everyone'? who else here has seen this?

but just look how many people are posting about problem this or issue that with their conroes... When it boils down to it, I am still an AMD fan over the Intels.

more people have issues with conroe here because more people have conroe. its that simple. that's why i said your looking in the wrong place. you cant use that as part of your argument when we are such a minority who happen to have pc's faster than around 95% of the entire planet.

 

[snowdog]

I have no exp. with c2d, however i can safeley say the intels suck when multitasked mroe than they have threads, a p4 for example with ht can do 2 things at once easeley, faster as amd single core, but once it gets 4 tasks each needing 100% cpu, single threaded amd's beat them....

 

[FatRakoon]

Could you show me these tests then? what do you mean by 'everyone'? who else here has seen this?

No, Im not going hunting anymore down... I found a load and posted in a previous topic, where many people would not accept what I was saying until they tried what I was telling them to try... Even though most justrun a few things, very few actually ran a head to head as I was asking and the ones that did saw what I was saying and realised it was right.

more people have issues with conroe here because more people have conroe. its that simple. that's why i said your looking in the wrong place. you cant use that as part of your argument when we are such a minority who happen to have pc's faster than around 95% of the entire planet.

I see what you are saying, and before the Conroe, it was 50-50 AMD/Intel issues, but %-wise there are a lot of people having a lot of issues with conroe... A lot more than those who have AMD.

I may be wrong, but thats what I see.

I have no exp. with c2d, however i can safeley say the intels suck when multitasked mroe than they have threads, a p4 for example with ht can do 2 things at once easeley, faster as amd single core, but once it gets 4 tasks each needing 100% cpu, single threaded amd's beat them....

When I compared my P4 660 Prescott against my Newcastle 3000 ( I only compared these 2 because I put them next to each other and no other reason ) I found that the P4 was several times slower than the AMD, and when it came to multitasking, it was so bad, that I actually never bothered to use it for a while... Only brought it back out when I decided to go conroe and that CPU would let me get a Mobo first and get the ball rolling.

I have since got a DS3 and better RAM for the P4 and its now clocked up to 4.3 and its a very nice useable system, however... Even at 4.3Ghz, while the CPU is stonking for simple, single jobs, when it comes to heavy multitasking ( notepad x 2 ) it starts to suffer compared to even that single core Newcastle.

Of course Dual core is the only serious option for Intels, however, I know that they are far worse than AMD at multitasking, and even the C2D can suffer too!

I have run several tests myself, comparing my own opteron and A64 single and dual core systems against my P4 and C2D systems, and while the intels are better for the few jobs, when it comes to loading the PC up with several jobs, no way on earth does the intel show the AMD who is the boss! - its more often the other way round.

Gaming and single apps, the intel is the king and by a long way too.
Multitasking several apps at once, and the AMD is.

And I dont care who the hell says what about this. I have many systems and its been the same across the whole specrum of all my PCs.

 

[Killajaz]

I would like to add it is highly refreshing to read FatRakoons posts. You are always polite, patient and use a friendly tone.

You're one of a kind in here tbh

 

[FatRakoon]

I try not to offend anyone.

I do love a good arguement though! - I make my points, ( I am Sometimes right, sometimes Im wrong ) others make theirs. Its good. Other people see our points and hopefully they will go away, and check them out for themselves.

This I think is what its all about. Its what I sometimes do anyway.

I dont like people who **** others off... No matter what.

It shows weakness in those people, as they are only trying to boost their own sad little egos... a kind of bullying perhaps?

Dont you think?

 

[InSanCen]

Could you show me these tests then? what do you mean by 'everyone'? who else here has seen this?


more people have issues with conroe here because more people have conroe. its that simple. that's why i said your looking in the wrong place. you cant use that as part of your argument when we are such a minority who happen to have pc's faster than around 95% of the entire planet.

I've seen FatRakoon run these test's firsthand mate... he's right. And I was of the same opinion as yourself beforehand as well...

The Emphasis is on "Loads of Apps the most people will NEVER need to run together" in reality, very few people will ever load a machine up like that. But, it still holds true, the Conroe/Allandale is Worse at REALLY HEAVY Multi-Tasking.

I read the thread which got deleted, and IIRC, only 1 or 2 people loaded the machine up properly.. most chucked a few apps on, and then couldn't be bothered by the looks of it.

Ah well... sometimes people just won't accept they are wrong.

 

[Quixote]

And now & then, for certain types of user, this is actually a practical use for your PC. At one point this summer, I was rendering several thousand frames in Cinema 4D, whilst copying my CD's to the hard drive, using the internet & playing music.
My Cheapo Pentium D dealt with it so much better than any previous CPU I had used & this was what really convinced me that Multi - Core was the future. Because of my fairly non-standard requirements (Cinema 4D represents about 80% of my computing time & I often use Photoshop at the same time & multi-task a lot), I'm now considering an upgrade to AM2. Partly because the CPU's seem to excel at what I do most & partly because there seems to be a fairly long life for AM2, what with AM2+ & AM3 CPU's being backwards compatible.
Not to mention, I like the range of reasonably - priced, well featured motherboards available for it.

 

[FatRakoon]

Exactly.

My main use, was that I take the home videos of our ghosthunts, and convert from AVI or WMV ) Depends on the cameras of course, convert them to the same size ( DVD PAL ) and then make up copies and put menus on them etc, and I burn 4 DVDs at once ( Slowly though ) and so, while one program is converting a bunch of AVI to DVD, another program is upsizing the low quality ones, another is putting the menus on and re-authoring the finished article, and of course, nero is burning them, and I cant be bothered waiting so I play a game perhaps while I am waiting.

The AMD just seems to flow a lot better when Im doing this, than the Intel does.

Sure, if I was to do just one or two of these tasks at a time, the intel would kill the AMD, Im not argueing that one... But when you do the lot, the AMD is the better option.

Plus of course, once I have started it all, I can walk away from the PC, lets say, I need to pop out for something ( A life for example ) then with them all running , they will be done when I get back, butif I was doing them bit by bit, I would still ahve a bunch of jobs to finish ...

I suppose that why I do them all at once... Fire and forget as it were?

 

[Dravic]

I think people need to remember that no single solution is perfect for everybody, sure I love my C2D, but I'm equally sure it isn't the best at everything. It does what I need it to do and it does it well, so I'm happy.

If I did stupid amounts of multitasking with apps that needed high amounts of bandwidth I'd certainly have no probs looking at an X2 setup.

 

[FatRakoon]

Yes, sometimes I compare the C2D and x2 in *** same way as I do for cars.

There is no doubt, that say a porsche is faster than a Volvo... No doubt at all.

But, when you need your car to pull a family and a caravan, and a load of luggage, what going to do the job better? The Porsche or the volvo?

 

[Raikiri]

But, when you need your car to pull a family and a caravan, and a load of luggage, what going to do the job better? The Porsche or the volvo?

320 Nm torque for the Volvo v70 2.5T with the extra weight of the Volvo itself VS. 405 Nm torgue for the 911 GT3... the Porsche still wins


sorry, but it does... as does core 2 duo in my experience

 

[FatRakoon]

I just knew someone would put in specs like these.

You know what I mean in that comparison... Dont be so ridiculous.

Ok, let me put it another way...

When have you ever seen a porsche pulling a family and a caravan on a holiday?

Or, how "Normal" people would use a porsche instead of a volvo for doing such a task.

 

[easyrider]

C2D beats K8 in everything.

And anyone who burns 4 DVD's at the same time at 2x is a noob.

There is no reason for doing this.

KTHXBYE

 

[Raikiri]

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Normal people wouldn't run loads of demanding apps at the same time on a dual core either, like you I am just posting my experiences of them which clearly differ