real world difference - amd vs intel?

[WJA96]

I would have thought it was indeed illegal of course, but I dont know their laws as such.

As much as I think that trying to stop downloading of illegal media is a ridiculous idea that will eventually kill off the Movie / Music industry, the law is still the law I suppose.

Their laws are the same as ours (EU!!!!!) and the fact that he's got 1.26Tb of (I presume) movies would make him quite a heavy downloader. As I say - it's more the fact that he thinks it's legal that surprises me.

I actually used FAST to recover money from a company that was re-selling my PDA animal nutrition software about 3 years ago. They had bought one copy from a download site and they were re-selling Palm III's with the software for half the price I was asking for the software alone. It's funny how someone ripping you off when it really is your livelihood really does change your mind about piracy. Ironically I found out about it when a corporate purchaser threatened to file a legal suit against me because I had declined to support them as my records showed they weren't legal users

 

[snowdog]

EDIT: Just nvm, i dont know what happened but 2 edited responces doesnt mean much good, i've removed my post to prevent more of whatever it was...

 

[Gashman]

off topic, just found and AMD FX-70 for 205 pounds, they any good?

 

[InSanCen]

C2D beats the pants off my opty 170 @ 2.8ghz at eveything

It's like talking to a brick wall. "The earth must be flat, 'cos *I* can't see it curving"

Have you ever, possibly, just for a second in your life, considered that other people may have differing experiences to your own? Probably not from the looks of it.

Please, find some common sense... the sheer amount of variables in this scenario suggest that, for what FatRakoon is doing, there is every possibility that he is right.
And that is discounting the fact that *I have seen this with my own eyes*... and yes, my prescription is up to date, before you ask...

[Be nice]

 

[james.miller]

i'm still waiting for these official tests? and cant you learn to have a debate without calling peopel numptys because they (the majority) havent had the same experiance as you?

 

[easyrider]

It's like talking to a brick wall. "The earth must be flat, 'cos *I* can't see it curving"

Have you ever, possibly, just for a second in your life, considered that other people may have differing experiences to your own? Probably not from the looks of it.

Please, find some common sense... the sheer amount of variables in this scenario suggest that, for what FatRakoon is doing, there is every possibility that he is right.
And that is discounting the fact that *I have seen this with my own eyes*... and yes, my prescription is up to date, before you ask...

[Be nice]

I base my response on using professional editing suites.That use far more cpu processing power and PC resources.

Not DVD santa!

The 2.8ghz was good but the C2D is miles ahead.

Like I have said before his PC is not configured correctly.
Its suffering from HDD access times for one.

Oh and his C2D rig only has 1gig of ram so the comparison is BS IMO

 

[InSanCen]

I base my response on using professional editing suites.That use far more cpu processing power and PC resources.

Not DVD santa!

The 2.8ghz was good but the C2D is miles ahead.

Like I have said before his PC is not configured correctly.
Its suffering from HDD access times for one.

Oh and his C2D rig only has 1gig of ram so the comparison is BS IMO

Re-read the (Other) thread... he equalised the RAM (took a gig out of the AMD IIRC), and the effect was similar (a little more laggy, but still far more snappy than C2D). He did that, mainly, just to shut you the hell up (I suspect).

So, onto Your testing methodology. You take a totally different set of applications, and use that as a base to call BS? FatRakoon does not bother with Photoshop, Premier etc... (I do those for him actually, why should FatRakoon have to shell out hundreds, if I already bought the tools and know how to use them?) the whole point of this thread, is that, FOR HIS TYPE OF USE, the AMD solution is superior. His type of use is doing a helluva lot of things at once, which includes DVD Santa... it's like comparing dog turds to diamonds... use the same set of applications, run the machines back to back, and then, and only then, can you call BS. Until then... try to contribute something useful to this thread eh?

@james.miller I called him a numpty, soley because he is not getting the point that different uses may give differing results. If the cap fit's, I'll gladly stick the cap on his head.
EDIT:-
If FatRakoon get's proved wrong, I'll voluntarily have a "numpty" signature for as long as I frequent these forum's. HAving used the systems in question (and been through the BIOS and tried to see what was wrong myself), I am quite confident, that, given fair and equal testing, FatRakoon will prove he is right. FAncy a bet? Whoever get's proved wrong, get's a (Don approved) "Numpty" siggie for as long as they are at this Forum... Game?

Mod's/Don's... I am doing my level best to be nice... i have no desire for a holiday, but this guy... well... extracts the urine somewhat...

 

[FatRakoon]

Actually, my C2D now has 2GB... Has had for a while.

The tests? - Well, InsanCan is coming over, and we are going to kill a PC or two clocking the hell out of them, and also we are going to run a few tests ourselves and do some other silly junk.

I am sick and tired of pointing people to other such results, im not going to keep doing it. I have told you many times that 99% of people will never run that many apps without good reason, but for that 1% its a big deal.

DVD Santa - Well, yes, thats only one program, however, if you read my posts, you will see, that I said that DVD Santa is vastly quicker on the Intel.
I also posted that DVD2ONE is load quicker, however, if you ran say 4 copies of them, then on DVDSanta, the gap is much, much closer, and on the AMD its quicker... Run even more and the AMD goes ahead.

Single programs and even 2 or 3 programs, the Intel IS quicker... I have never said anythign to the contrary, however, when you run a fair few apps all doing various different things, the AMD has shown to be the better at handling it all.

A lot of people cannot handle this thought, even if it means bugger all to them as they will never run more than 2 things at any one time, but if oyu just run an AMD and an Intel of similar specs toegther and run the very same bunch of apps, you will see what I mean.

I cant stress enough, that running a couple of apps on the Intel IS going to be quicker, I keep saying this but no one seems to listen, but runnign many apps the AMD will be.

Dogturds & Diamonds?

 

[The Deuce]

my 3ghz opteron 148 encoded lame mp3 at ~17x. with the same settings, my e6600 @ 3.2ghz does it at just over 30x.....on each core. encoding video is a similar story. in gaming, its not so obvious unless you have a high end card which is cpu limited.


oh and windows in general just doesnt stutter anymore when doing a few things at once, task switching ect.

just a perception, but i got my very old T/Bird 1.4 athlon converting mp3's @ over 30x some 4 years ago with 512mb sdr using musicmatch jukebox. 192VBR@80%

But a friend who has a C2D raves about converting times for video on Winavi. Personally i'm sticking with my A64 3700+ as it means i would have to change mobo,memory & chip.

 

[james.miller]

just a perception, but i got my very old T/Bird 1.4 athlon converting mp3's @ over 30x some 4 years ago with 512mb sdr using musicmatch jukebox. 192VBR@80%

yeah i did it with an athlon tbred at over 40x, but im talking about a proper lame setup which is much much slower and obviously better quality.

 

[The Deuce]

that's a "lame" excuse...lol

 

[InSanCen]

Dogturds & Diamonds?

LOL... 2 totally different thing's... cannot be reliably compared in a quantifiable way.

Ok... that's my big-words quota for today... off to play poker, requires less though & paitence

 

[Phat_Larry]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if X2's really are that much better that C2D's at heavy multitasking then surely once developer start to really take advantage of multi-core processors by making apps that run 2 or more threads at once then it's not going to require ridiculous amounts of multitasking for this affect to become apparent.

Basically, what I'm saying is although no one will ever use their PC in the way described, maybe the software you use in the near future will, otherwise why would you ever need a quad core CPU?

 

[FatRakoon]

No.

I only found that with the programs I used, the AMD was able to handle several of them running at once better than the Intel.... A few and the Intel is the better, but a few more and the AMD seems to keep chugging along while the intels responsiveness dropped a lot quicker.

Overall the Conroe is way better. and no one would ever truly want to run so many things at once, I only do it because sometimes I need to go out for soem time, and so I start off a load of jobs, thats all.

Its when I started to load up all these jobs and then start them runing that I was able to just click through each app on the AMD while the intel was struggling a little.

The intel can finish each job in say 5 minutes and the AMD would be 10 or even 15, but when they are loaded up, the AMD can be finished in 4 or 5 hours and the intel will still be working.

This is NOT the case for everything, but it is the case for DVD2ONE, DVDSANTA, TMPG etc.

 

[Rroff]

As I said before - I'm pretty sure its just your PC - we have numerous core 2 duo based systems here and none of them exhibit the symptoms you are describing, I don't have DVD2ONE, DVDSANTA to test with but I do use tmpg and even with that, orthos, burning a DVD, running iTunes and half a dozen other apps its still fast and responsive. The only way I can get it to slowdown at all is to run dual memtest at the same time as above, due to orthos gobbling all the RAM memtest doesn't work properly and runs from swapfile causing hideous HDD usage and some slight sluggishness but so does an AMD system under those conditions.

 

[FatRakoon]

Its not as bad as I make out... Plus I also have Folding at 100% on both cores which does not help.

They both slow down... Of course they do, its just that after a while, the intel slows down more than the AMD and eventually the AMD is the least sluggish... They are both sluggish, but the AMD is less so.