Rebrand Fail?

LoadsaMoney · 18 Jun 2015 at 18:56

IceWind said:
£180 - £200.... you are really joking right ? These card compete with the GTX 980 which is still £400.... why would they sell them at half the price.

They should have just whacked up the 290 prices then.

Razor Time · 18 Jun 2015 at 18:58

IceWind said:
BUT its not a straight rebrand. OK its the same GPU under the hood... but its cooler, its clocked higher and has more memory

You mean a bit like this:

http://eu.msi.com/product/vga/R9-290X-GAMING-8G.html#hero-overview

faceman123 · 18 Jun 2015 at 19:00

IceWind said:
BUT its not a straight rebrand. OK its the same GPU under the hood... but its cooler, its clocked higher and has more memory and it look to outperform the gtx 980...

OK no one with the GTX 980 would swap to it as the performace difference is neglagible but someone coming from a GTX 680 or 7950/7970 could be look at these cards.... so the 390X is still cheaper than the GTX980 and it outperforms it so yea people will buy that over the 980 unless of course Nvidia fan boi

Disclaimer : im not an AMD fan boi I buy whatever the best card is on the market at the time. Ive been waiting for the Fury X card simple to see if they compete with the 980ti / titan x

but you missed the point It's priced as a 980. I don't believe those benchmarks. Again it boils down to £220 vs £350? forget Nvidia, AMD are competing with their own pricing Rofl. we could go on forever then, why wouldnt someone buy a 290(non X) for £175 or wait buy two and kill the 390x for the same price?

passey89 · 18 Jun 2015 at 19:09

IceWind said:
BUT its not a straight rebrand. OK its the same GPU under the hood... but its cooler, its clocked higher and has more memory and it look to outperform the gtx 980...

OK no one with the GTX 980 would swap to it as the performace difference is neglagible but someone coming from a GTX 680 or 7950/7970 could be look at these cards.... so the 390X is still cheaper than the GTX980 and it outperforms it so yea people will buy that over the 980 unless of course Nvidia fan boi

Disclaimer : im not an AMD fan boi I buy whatever the best card is on the market at the time. Ive been waiting for the Fury X card simple to see if they compete with the 980ti / titan x

ive got a 290x 8GB atm running at 1100mhz 1550mhz and paid 299.99 from OCUK. this was 6 months ago maybe.

Whats different between the card I have and any of the 390x's?

IceWind · 18 Jun 2015 at 19:14

but then why has any company done anything like this ?

Nvidia do it every release and AMD/ATI do it every release. Its business

Legend · 18 Jun 2015 at 19:27

passey89 said:
ive got a 290x 8GB atm running at 1100mhz 1550mhz and paid 299.99 from OCUK. this was 6 months ago maybe.

Whats different between the card I have and any of the 390x's?

The new cards have a number '3' in front of them, instead of a '2'. Err, think that's it really...

passey89 · 18 Jun 2015 at 19:29

Legend said:
The new cards have a number '3' in front of them, instead of a '2'. Err, think that's it really...

but but i like a 2 more than a 3. 2's even 3 would just be odd. now if they called it a 490x

Geeman1979 · 18 Jun 2015 at 19:29

Legend said:
The new cards have a number '3' in front of them, instead of a '2'. Err, think that's it really...

Factory clocked higher than their counterparts.

Bargain

faceman123 · 18 Jun 2015 at 19:38

Rumour has it AMD are releasing a new 395x2

Jono8 · 18 Jun 2015 at 20:33

IceWind said:
so the 390X is still cheaper than the GTX980 and it outperforms it so yea people will buy that over the 980 unless of course Nvidia fan boi

No it doesnt. It is £20 cheaper (going by ocuk's cheapest 390x and cheapest 980) yet, performs worse, runs hotter, and uses a lot more power.

Jamielicious · 18 Jun 2015 at 21:06

AMD have pitched the prices a bit too high. The 380 should be £140, the 390 should be £220, the 390X £280.

But then they overpriced the 285 and with a 30% drop since made that card viable and actually compared to 970/980 prices they hold their own it's just 6 months have passed and I'd expected price/performance to pass too.

Fury looks interesting though, the Nano in particular but I fear high pricing on those.

For me though, there's nothing compelling under £200. Kinda wish I'd got one of those £190 PCS+ 290s now.

r7slayer · 18 Jun 2015 at 21:15

Didn't nvidia rebrand the titan x with half the memory and price it much cheaper? That right there seems like a fail to me. Didn't see people crying about that. In Fact no scrap that, IMO it is a awesome rebrand!

faceman123 · 18 Jun 2015 at 21:18

r7slayer said:
Didn't nvidia rebrand the titan x with half the memory and price it much cheaper? That right there seems like a fail to me. Didn't see people crying about that. In Fact no scrap that, IMO it is a awesome rebrand!

that's the point, the 980Ti is CHEAPER, also it's newer technology not a 2 YEAR OLD CARD. essentially a pro consumer move, they are giving people TX performance for a fraction of the price. AMD are giving people 290x performance well for 980 Price

Jamielicious · 18 Jun 2015 at 21:32

The 290 could sometimes be had for as low as £190 now they cannot be had anywhere under £230. That ship has sailed for good I fear.

Looking at reviews there is still nothing coming close to the 780/290 cards. We still need a 960TI and a 380X to fill that role. Both need to offer near 290 performance and 4GB at 1080p and 1440p and cost no more than £180. The 380 is ok but is surely destined to settle as a £150 960-beater.

Killer7xx · 18 Jun 2015 at 21:38

Jono8 said:
No it doesnt. It is £20 cheaper (going by ocuk's cheapest 390x and cheapest 980) yet, performs worse, runs hotter, and uses a lot more power.

Performance seems to be neck and neck with GTX 980 using the 15.15 beta drivers. For the price/performance ratio it's better than the 980, but then taking into account power consumption and overclockability, the 980 edges it by quite a bit.

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/613...et-bestaande-chips-benchmarks-alien-isolation

Jono8 · 18 Jun 2015 at 22:14

Killer7xx said:
Performance seems to be neck and neck with GTX 980 using the 15.15 beta drivers. For the price/performance ratio it's better than the 980, but then taking into account power consumption and overclockability, the 980 edges it by quite a bit.

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/613...et-bestaande-chips-benchmarks-alien-isolation

In the vast majority of benchmarks in that review you have linked, the 980 is faster.

The 390x manages to pip it at 4k in a lot of cases though, granted, but then the frame rates are generally in the high 20's or low 30's in demanding games anyway so that is a bit of a hollow victory.

Bonjour · 18 Jun 2015 at 22:45

Decent benchmarks tbh, at least for stock. Pretty much tit for tat with the 980.

pmc25 · 18 Jun 2015 at 22:52

It's significantly faster than a 980 above 1080p and gets damn near to / marginally exceeds a 980ti in some titles at 4K.

It looks slightly unimpressive if you listen to the sites that are purposely publishing benchmark results and reviews with the older, non-recommended 15.5 drivers.

On 15.15 it would seem like it's a great value card.

shadow_boxer · 18 Jun 2015 at 22:52

Bit disappointed by the 390X. Performance seems reasonable, only a tad slower than a 980 in most benchmarks but I would have liked to see it coming in a fair bit cheaper. £350 is just too expensive when a 980 is only a tiny bit more. Should've been £300 for the 390X.

TheRealDeal · 18 Jun 2015 at 22:55

If these drivers do eventually come out for 290/290x then i will be very happy as my card will most likely be faster than a gtx970. Looks like there's life in the old dog yet. Kepler performance dropping off like a rock while Gcn 1.1 still improving to the point where these 390x/390 are competing well with Nvidia's next Gen.