Red arrow incident

Pixel · 8 Nov 2011 at 13:54

I'm right next to RAF Scampton, the weather is terrible here today. Hoping for the best.

Flibster · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:03

Oh crap... Not another one.

Now expecting lots of rubbish about the safety of air displays...

PiKe · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:04

If this is another fatality then I can see them disbanding the red arrows.

drunken fool · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:06

PiKe said:
If this is another fatality then I can see them disbanding the red arrows.

Hopefully it's not a fatality but i can't see why they would disband them. From the news so far this is nothing to do with it being a Red's jet and appears to have been an incident on the ground that could have happened to any Hawk.

Hoping for the best for all involved

ringo747 · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:08

I would guess that the previous incident could have happened to anyone in a single jet and had nothing to do with close formation flying (not that we know yet). This incident sounds like it was on the ground. Again this could happen to a single jet. On each case it was just unfortunate to be the red arrows. It could have happened to students in a single hawk.

Edit: beaten ^^

Kerplunk · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:08

drunken fool said:
Hopefully it's not a fatality but i can't see why they would disband them. From the news so far this is nothing to do with it being a Red's jet and appears to have been an incident on the ground that could have happened to any Hawk.

Hoping for the best for all involved

Medical services have been called to RAF Scampton in Lincolnshire after an incident involving a Red Arrows jet and one member of air crew, the Ministry of Defence has said.

theipodkid · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:09

An MoD source has confirmed one pilot has been taken to Lincoln County Hospital.

Police have confirmed they are attending an incident at RAF Scampton.

Guerrilla · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:09

Oh no

Fingers crossed they are ok.

Westyfield2 · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:10

Aircraft was not airborne at the time.

drunken fool · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:14

Just to be clear, i know it's a Red's jet involved but i meant that the incident (from current news) doesn't appear to be related to that fact and could have been any hawk involved. This was purely in response to the disbanding the Red's comment

ringo747 · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:14

BBC reporting that the pilot is in a very serious condition. I'm afraid that I know what the headlines will be reading in a few hours time. I'm not sure of the % rate of survival but banging out on the ground is hugely risky isn't it?

TaKeN · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:19

Very risky indeed I'd have thought, no where near enough height for the seat to come away from you and the chute to deploy? Surely

Mk. 10Specifications Mk 10 (IN10LH)

Operating ceiling 50 000+ft (15,250 m)
Minimum height/speed Zero/zero in near level attitude
Crew boarding mass range 69.2 – 112.2 kg
Crew size range 3rd to 99th percentile, as defined in Survey of
2000 Royal Air Force Aircrew 1970/1971
Maximum Speed for ejection 630 KIAS
Parachute type GQ Type 1000 Mk 2
Parachute deployment Drogue assisted
Drogue parachute type 5 ft and 22 in.
Drogue deployment Drogue gun. Initiated by trip rod
Harness type Integrated
Ejection seat operation type Ejection gun and multi-tube rocket pack
Ejection gun Single, two stage
Gun stroke length 72 in.
Ejection initiation Handle on seat pan initiates gas operated seat
firing system
Electronic Sequencer No
Barostatic time-release unit Yes + g-restrictor. Initiated by trip rod
Automatic back-up unit No
Manual override handle Yes
Timers No
Seat adjustment Up/down Actuator operated 28 Vdc
Arm restraints No
Leg restraints Yes, two garters
Oxygen supply Bottled emergency oxygen
Main oxygen system connection
Personal survival pack Yes, landscale, Liferaft option available
Aircrew services Personal equipment connector (PEC) provides
connections for
- main oxygen
- back-up oxygen
- emergency oxygen
- anti-g suit
- mic/tel
Command ejection Yes
Canopy jettison No
Miniature detonating cord Yes
Interseat sequencing system Yes, through command delay breech unit

Hank_Marvin · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:20

Ringo you don't know a thing yet, so go easy on the doom and gloom.

drunken fool · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:20

ringo747 said:
BBC reporting that the pilot is in a very serious condition. I'm afraid that I know what the headlines will be reading in a few hours time. I'm not sure of the % rate of survival but banging out on the ground is hugely risky isn't it?

I believe the ejection seats fitted to Hawks are zero/zero rated so you should be able to safely eject at zero height and zero speed.

ringo747 · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:20

If parked up I'd imagine it could just shoot you into any surrounding buildings or anything. Doesn't bear thinking about.

Lincolnshire Echo reporting that the pilot was killed.

Scon · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:22

EDIT: Oh dear, i fail

Fingers crossed!

Cosimo · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:22

ringo747 said:
Lincolnshire Echo reporting that the pilot was killed.

A Red Arrows pilot is believed to have died in an incident at RAF Scampton.

The Echo understands the pilot ejected from one of the jets while on the ground and his parachute failed to deploy. It is believed he suffered multiple injuries.

Scon · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:23

Woops

ringo747 · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:24

Burrell what are you on? That was the previous incident. This incident was on the ground.

PiKe · 8 Nov 2011 at 14:25

Doesn't take much for health and safety people to nuts over things like this.