Religious Help!

[Yas786]

If he was converting to Islam I could see how it could be a BS just to wind up muslims but converting to Xtianity... hmm not so sure that would be so effective a way of winding muslims up.
He seems serious but I do find it odd to have a post count of 4 and ask a question like that.

Took the words out of my mouth, it was his post count that set my BS meter off. Like i said i dont know if hes being serious, hell half the stuff in here i cant take seriously but then its GD isnt it??.

Dont get me wrong as a muslim i dont feel wound up that he wants to convert to christianity...has nowt to do with me and its his choice if he wants to do that. I just find it extremely odd that he felt he had to come here and announce it but then i find most relationship threads odd anyways.

Anyways live and let live is my motto and as i said before...good luck to him in his journey to find the right path so to speak.

 

[Beren]

Anyways live and let live is my motto and as i said before...good luck to him in his journey to find the right path so to speak.

Indeed I hope he finds christianity great too...

/runs



Apologies that was too easy!

 

[DarkShadow]

He could fatwah him in the FACE.

Made me laugh

 

[jezsoup]

Hey all, i am recently experiancing some very religious problems. I am a Muslim since birth, gone to mosque since the age of 5 all the way to 14 where i finished the Quran and all the other books and then left, and it has just hit me, I was at the mosque for all those years just waiting to leave and after i did i did not read the prayers even once a day, as i didn't believe in what the book said and all the rules and regulations you had to do. I have read the bible and i feel more close to that book more than i do to the Quran. How do i convert myself to the christian belief?

If you want tot alk about it, here really isnt the best place.. If you want to talk my email is in trust, Im a Christian, ill do my best to answer your questions and such

 

[jezsoup]

Why bother?

You've figured out Islam is a load of old cobblers, Christianity is just the same claptrap wrapped up slightly differently. The Bible and Quran have more crossovers than Heartbeat and The Royal!

Christianity is very VERY different to Islam.... Go educate yourself on the difference please then come back.

 

[Calder]

Christianity is very VERY different to Islam.... Go educate yourself on the difference please then come back.

I think his point was that he believes all religion to be a load of crap.

 

[Yas786]

Christianity is very VERY different to Islam.... Go educate yourself on the difference please then come back.

How different is it to Islam??...seriously please explain??. As far as i know the only major difference between islam and christianity is the fact that christians consider Jesus to be a son of god whereas we say he was a messenger of god. *** bible and Quran are similar in what they say...there are differences in certain things said though, mainly the fact that the Bible has changed a few times throughout history whereas the Quran has remained more or less the same since the day it was conceived.

But seriously id like to know what other differences there are between Christianity and Islam??. I'll be honest here and say i dont know much about christianity, i just know the basics of it.

 

[Sleepy]

LOL. Wasn't someone given a death sentance for converting to Xtianity in Somalia or somewhere recently? The sentance was commuted in the end I think.

Afghanistan

 

[ChrisJSY]

Christianity is very VERY different to Islam.... Go educate yourself on the difference please then come back.

*Opens of can of worms*

Very different?
So.. which one is the real one? Yours? ahaha.
There's one thing when it's non religous people vs. religous people.
But when religions fight each other (which it has been for centuries)... makes you wonder.

 

[Beren]

How different is it to Islam??...seriously please explain??. As far as i know the only major difference between islam and christianity is the fact that christians consider Jesus to be a son of god whereas we say he was a messenger of god. *** bible and Quran are similar in what they say...there are differences in certain things said though, mainly the fact that the Bible has changed a few times throughout history whereas the Quran has remained more or less the same since the day it was conceived.

But seriously id like to know what other differences there are between Christianity and Islam??. I'll be honest here and say i dont know much about christianity, i just know the basics of it.

Wow that's a big one, and as a disclaimer I am no expert on Islam so if I make mistakes on that side of things then apologies.

First the big one is not just that in Christianity do we believe that Christ was the son of God but also that he died to pay for our sins. That the only way to salvation is through belief in Christ. More than that Christians believe in the Trinity that there is God the Father, God the Son and God the holy Spirit. In Islam there is just one God. In Islam it is taught that Christ was not crucified by the Jews.

In Islam it is possible to have up to 4 wives and you are allowed to beat your disobedient wife. In Islamic Law a woman is viewed as inferior to a man, their testimony only counts as half the weight of a mans. In the new testament women were running churches.

While I accept only a minority interpret it as such however the idea of Jihad is entirely alien from the Christian faith. Mohammed led at least 27 invasions Christ led none.

Christianity believes in original sin.

Islam believes that the Prophets were sinless and infallible? Whereas the Old Testament prophets most certainly were fallible and sinfull.

Wheras in Christian states laws have generally been introduced that follow the spirit of the scriptures there is nothing in existance like the Hadith.

Umm I could probably go on with more research and less work to get done but I think those are some quite large differences.

 

[jamief]

I think the person comparing Christianity to Islam was more referring to the point that they are all based on worship of mythical beings named God, in effect

 

[Shackley]

I have read the bible and i feel more close to that book more than i do to the Quran.

In what way do you feel "closer" to the Bible than to the Qur'an? Is it possible that you just haven't spent much time studying it yet?

Incidentally, one of the characteristics of the Christian church is that they don't tend to take the Bible too literally, in fact they can pretty well pick and choose what they would like to believe day to day.

How do I convert myself to the Christian belief?

Speak to a minister, vicar, priest or whatever your local church calls Him/Her; attend some services.

 

[Yas786]

Wow that's a big one, and as a disclaimer I am no expert on Islam so if I make mistakes on that side of things then apologies.

Quite right, your definitely no expert on islam. But lets not get into a petty arguement here.

In Islam it is possible to have up to 4 wives and you are allowed to beat your disobedient wife. In Islamic Law a woman is viewed as inferior to a man, their testimony only counts as half the weight of a mans. In the new testament women were running churches.

Interesting statement there, i suppose we can have 4 wives but there are certain rules governing that concept...no point in going through them as its a bit long winded tbh. Islamic law may dictate that women are inferior to men but then again islamic law is never followed to the rule and thats been shown time and time again throughout history with the many stories of Islamic courts bending islam and the Quran to suit their own agendas.

As for the beating part??, well seems like that just isnt exclusive to muslims is it now??. Plenty of non muslims out there that are quite happy to batter their partners as well...so that hasnt really anything to do with religion does it now?? and nor is it mutually exclusive to islam either.

While I accept only a minority interpret it as such however the idea of Jihad is entirely alien from the Christian faith. Mohammed led at least 27 invasions Christ led none.

Not really, the crusades back in the middle ages were in some ways jihads were they not??...looking at it in its simplest form ie rescuing Jerusalem from the muslims etc etc. Which is what the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) did as well, rescue muslim lands from the non muslims.

Islam believes that the Prophets were sinless and infallible? Whereas the Old Testament prophets most certainly were fallible and sinfull.

Indeed your right when islam believes or says the Prophets were sinless and infallible. As for the old testament??, i didnt think christians believed in the concept of prophets so dont really get that last point of yours.

Umm I could probably go on with more research and less work to get done but I think those are some quite large differences.

Perhaps you should have done more research on the major differences there.

 

[Beren]

Quite right, your definitely no expert on islam. But lets not get into a petty arguement here.

I wasn't trying to just making it clear I was open to criticism if my understanding was wrong.

Interesting statement there, i suppose we can have 4 wives but there are certain rules governing that concept...no point in going through them as its a bit long winded tbh. Islamic law may dictate that women are inferior to men but then again islamic law is never followed to the rule and thats been shown time and time again throughout history with the many stories of Islamic courts bending islam and the Quran to suit their own agendas.

Are you saying it's fine to believe in Islam and ignore some of the Quran then?

As for the beating part??, well seems like that just isnt exclusive to muslims is it now??. Plenty of non muslims out there that are quite happy to batter their partners as well...so that hasnt really anything to do with religion does it now?? and nor is it mutually exclusive to islam either.

Of course it does, when the leader of your religion beats his wife. It gives it respectability. Christianity does not condone beating women, Islam does.

Not really, the crusades back in the middle ages were in some ways jihads were they not??...looking at it in its simplest form ie rescuing Jerusalem from the muslims etc etc. Which is what the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) did as well, rescue muslim lands from the non muslims.

I'm not going to start defending what someone did in the name of religion in the middle ages. There is absolutely no justification for the crusades in the bible. They were political wars fought with the excuse of religion to control the masses. They had nothing to do with being a Christian. What I am condemning is what Mohammed did.

Indeed your right when islam believes or says the Prophets were sinless and infallible. As for the old testament??, i didnt think christians believed in the concept of prophets so dont really get that last point of yours.

Then I forgive your obvious lack of understanding of the Christian faith. We do.

So you are accepting that the idea of the Trinity, women running churches, the forgiveness of sins through christ, the death and resurrection of christ, original sin and the way law is decided are differences then?

 

[Sleepy]

As for the beating part??, well seems like that just isnt exclusive to muslims is it now??. Plenty of non muslims out there that are quite happy to batter their partners as well...so that hasnt really anything to do with religion does it now?? and nor is it mutually exclusive to islam either.

Do other religions have it as an article of faith that beating your wife is acceptable? (Sura 4:34) Its interesting how you equate wrong doings in the West with acceptable behaviour in Islam, as if the two were somehow equivalent

Which is what the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) did as well, rescue muslim lands from the non muslims.

WTF, there was no muslim land before Muhammed's hordes conquered them cos there were no Muslims before him to have land. Lets not forget that Jerusalem was ruled by the christians of Byzantium whilst Muhammed was alive. What ever the crusades were or weren't there goal of recovering Jerusalem from Muslim rule does have a basis in fact.

Indeed your right when islam believes or says the Prophets were sinless and infallible. As for the old testament??, i didnt think christians believed in the concept of prophets so dont really get that last point of yours.

Prophets are part of xian belief. And are in the OT and NT. JC was said to have fulfilled a great many OT prophecies.

 

[Hellsmk2]

Before you convert to Christianity, I recommend reading "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins.

The result will likely be one of two things:

A) You are disgusted with Dawkins and feel like burning his book. Welcome to Christianity - go to your local church and discuss conversion with the Priest there.

B) You are disgusted with yourself for "ever believing any of this 'God' claptrap" and don't bother with religion ever again.

Either way you will probably be a lot happier in yourself and can get on with life in a way that *you* see fit.

Good Luck

J.

He wasn't asking on how to become an athiest or advice on what books to read.

 

[Yas786]

Do other religions have it as an article of faith that beating your wife is acceptable? (Sura 4:34) Its interesting how you equate wrong doings in the West with acceptable behaviour in Islam, as if the two were somehow equivalent

I dont know and i dont pretend to know tbh. Where have i equated wrong doings in the west with acceptable behaviour in islam??. Have i said anywhere that i condone wife beating??...christ i give up

 

[Sleepy]

I dont know and i dont pretend to know tbh. Where have i equated wrong doings in the west with acceptable behaviour in islam??. Have i said anywhere that i condone wife beating??...christ i give up

Try here

As for the beating part??, well seems like that just isnt exclusive to muslims is it now??. Plenty of non muslims out there that are quite happy to batter their partners as well...so that hasnt really anything to do with religion does it now?? and nor is it mutually exclusive to islam either.

BTW if you don't want to play don't post in the first place.

 

[Yas786]

Are you saying it's fine to believe in Islam and ignore some of the Quran then?

Ermmm please point out where i actually said that...what i was saying is that some of the islamic leaders believe in islam but tend to ignore what the real meaning of the Quran is.
Lets not try to twist my words here shall we??, makes me lose a lot of respect for u.

Of course it does, when the leader of your religion beats his wife. It gives it respectability. Christianity does not condone beating women, Islam does.

Like i said, if you did any sort of research then you will find that Islam does not condone wife beating...if anything there are rules that must be followed when chastising your wife etc.

I'm not going to start defending what someone did in the name of religion in the middle ages. There is absolutely no justification for the crusades in the bible. They were political wars fought with the excuse of religion to control the masses. They had nothing to do with being a Christian. What I am condemning is what Mohammed did.

I dont expect you to really as it would be highly unfair i think. As for them nothing to do with being Christian, i suggest you do some serious research on the Crusades and i think you find they had a hell of a lot to do with Christianity as a whole. I mean the term, getting back the Holy land doesnt have any religious/christian connotations does it not??.

Then I forgive your obvious lack of understanding of the Christian faith. We do.

Thanks for that but likewise, we forgive you for your lack of understanding of the Islamic faith. Still i speak for myself, i dunno you might get a fatwah in the mail one day for your lack of understanding of our faith

 

[theleg]

delete before i look like a spanner