Remembering 9/11 - 20 years on

It wasn’t the planes that caused them to fall. If that’s the case they would have fell upon impact. It was the fires fuelled by tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel, which weakened the construction of the building and its ability to hold the higher floors above it. The reason it fell so ‘neatly’ is because of exactly that, they collapsed in to themselves due to being unable to maintain their structure. There was no reason or force upon them to fall any other way.
 
But in a interview with an expert on the structure stated, that the tolerances for the structure were much higher than what heat output was there because of the planes..and a few days later he "retracted" his statement..JFK anyone??

Sorry for the wording, im not sure what to call the expert? lol
 
rare said:
Which floors were empty? The buildings can be seen collapsing in to the floors that were hit by the planes. People were working on those floors.
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Don't know exactly - there were several empty floors in each tower including the 2 floors immediately below the impact site on the second tower. In the assumption of a conspiracy all bets are off in that regard.
 
Just a thought, but spie would close these forums to stop exactly the crap that is being posted now.

I appreciate spie has moved on, but out of respect to him, I feel he would not be happy seeing this junk being allowed on a thread that's for remembering those of 9/11.
 
Apex said:
Just a thought, but spie would close these forums to stop exactly the crap that is being posted now.

I appreciate spie has moved on, but out of respect to him, I feel he would not be happy seeing this junk being allowed on a thread that's for remembering those of 9/11.
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Good point. I will leave it there.
 
Apex said:
Just a thought, but spie would close these forums to stop exactly the crap that is being posted now.

I appreciate spie has moved on, but out of respect to him, I feel he would not be happy seeing this junk being allowed on a thread that's for remembering those of 9/11.
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Absolutely spot on, I didn’t agree with a few of Spies views, but, he was spot on with that and I liked how he closed the forums out of respect.

I’ll never forget that day, surreal doesn’t come close to describing it, I remember stopping for a break on the A127 just after the first plane hit thinking (knowing the WTC location and being big into flight simulator) how on earth did a small as it was reported plane hit one of those towers?

Went to sleep for an hour, got back on the road without turning the radio back on, got to my delivery, a TV shop, and was bemused to see all the staff and loads of people crowding around the TVs, drove to Brampton Hut on the A14, parking early for the night then sat up until about 3am watching the coverage on a tiny black & white portable TV.

RIP to the victims.
 
This video is one that stands out for me


Guy Rosbrook and his wife Tami Michaels stayed at the Millennium Hilton Hotel, opposite of the WTC, and started filming after the first plane hit. The video in its entirety is worth watching but, since it's 25 minutes long, someone falling at (14:29). It's not very graphic and you can't necessarily tell it's a body.

Between 3:50 and 4:10 there are several people falling from the building.

At 6:30, Guy notices a person falling and subsequently films the area in front of the building, where all the previous bodies have hit the floor.

The second plane hits at 7:04 but Guy stops recording at that point, then restarts.

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I was coming home from college that day and got home to find out what happened, was glued to the tv all night. Remember it like it was yesterday.
 
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Although I'm not one to claim conspiracy theories etc etc, I've done plenty of research on 9/11 over the years, read plenty of reports etc. So I won't say I believe it was an inside job, but I will say the USA gov are known to have done things against their own people. Project MK Ultra plus many others etc, also
Operation Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against American citizens that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba, The possibilities detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes to be shot down or given the appearance of being shot down, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. The proposals were rejected by President John F. Kennedy.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mongoose

The Cuban Project, also known as Operation Mongoose, was an extensive campaign of terrorist attacks against civilians, and covert operations, carried out by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency in Cuba. It was officially authorized on November 30, 1961 by American President Kennedy
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_of_Secrets

Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency is a book by James Bamford about the NSA and its operations. It also covers the history of espionage in the United States from uses of the Fulton surface-to-air recovery system to retrieve personnel on Arctic Ocean drift stations to Operation Northwoods, a declassified US military plan that Bamford describes as a "secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba."
For the book, NSA director Michael Hayden gave him unprecedented access. In contrast, his previous book, The Puzzle Palace, was almost blocked from publication by the agency.
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Makes you wonder who really killed JFK.. but that's another story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

So it wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag attack, in order to invade the Middle East they needed a catastrophic incident (exactly the same proposal in Operation Northwoods but for Cuba) But who am I to say this is true, all I can go by is what I've studied. The higher up in the USA can make things like this happen.

At the end of the day it was a terrible disaster that should never have happened, doesn't mean the US Gov orchestrated it. But they did capitalise on it.
 
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TurtleTwo said:
So I won't say I believe it was an inside job
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i copied it that way on purpose as it was funny, but none the less, you know i can't quote something you didn't say, i can quote something you did. if you aren't going to say it, don't then type it out.

hiding behind "i wont say this thing i'm about to say, but i will totally mean it", doesn't work and doesn't stop you looking any less looney.

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thanks for sharing the hilton hotel video. interesting not just for the video and angle that they had, but a look back how terrible people were at recording things 20 years ago. like zooms fully in, then pans around too fast, then zooms out, then in, then out, then too high.

i get a lot was going on, but i remember this being a common thing even with non-important event slike family birthdays. people i think, are better at controlling cams now.
 
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i copied it that way on purpose as it was funny, but none the less, you know i can't quote something you didn't say, i can quote something you did. if you aren't going to say it, don't then type it out.

hiding behind "i wont say this thing i'm about to say, but i will totally mean it", doesn't work and doesn't stop you looking any less looney.

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thanks for sharing the hilton hotel video. interesting not just for the video and angle that they had, but a look back how terrible people were at recording things 20 years ago. like zooms fully in, then pans around too fast, then zooms out, then in, then out, then too high.

i get a lot was going on, but i remember this being a common thing even with non-important event slike family birthdays. people i think, are better at controlling cams now.
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Yes I know that, I am not hiding behind anything... just putting things out there to read into such as as Operation Northwoods. You can't deny that the powers that be over there are possibly capable of doing something like this. When you see these ultimate facts does that still make you look looney?


Guaranteed today it would have been recorded in portrait mode then cropped down enough to posted on Tik Tok.
 
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TurtleTwo said:
So it wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag attack, in order to invade the Middle East they needed a catastrophic incident (exactly the same proposal in Operation Northwoods but for Cuba) But who am I to say this is true, all I can go by is what I've studied. The higher up in the USA can make things like this happen.
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Most of the conspiracies to realistically happen would require an unlikely number of people involved who are complicit and stay silent about it. That said I think most of the attack could be orchestrated/engineered a lot more easily than people generally want to accept but again the number of people who'd have to be in the know isn't really credible.

IMO a much more likely explanation for some of the irregularities, and it shouldn't really surprise anyone by now, is covering up for corruption exposed by the circumstances and saving face, etc.
 
Apex said:
thanks for sharing the hilton hotel video. interesting not just for the video and angle that they had, but a look back how terrible people were at recording things 20 years ago. like zooms fully in, then pans around too fast, then zooms out, then in, then out, then too high.

i get a lot was going on, but i remember this being a common thing even with non-important event slike family birthdays. people i think, are better at controlling cams now.
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Good point there about how people filmed stuff back in the camcorder days! That way of filming also reminded me of clips from You've Been Framed! back in the 1990s, even though I know full well that the comical nature of YBF! should never be compared to the awful events of 9/11.

Regarding conspiracy theories, the only conspiracy I believed in related to the 2017 Ariana Grande bombing. In the run-up to the 2017 snap election, the Tories were having the worst day at the polls at that point, and then that evening, a bomb went off in the Manchester MEN Arena. To me, I saw it as a false flag operation staged by "foreign-looking people" to make young voters start hating on immigrants and thus vote Tory in the 2017 GE. That's only my opinion though, and I know that I'm very most likely to be wrong. Plus, nearly all conspiracy theories have been proven to be falsehood.
 
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Regarding conspiracy theories, the only conspiracy I believed in related to the 2017 Ariana Grande bombing. In the run-up to the 2017 snap election, the Tories were having the worst day at the polls at that point, and then that evening, a bomb went off in the Manchester MEN Arena. To me, I saw it as a false flag operation staged by "foreign-looking people" to make young voters start hating on immigrants and thus vote Tory in the 2017 GE. That's only my opinion though, and I know that I'm very most likely to be wrong. Plus, nearly all conspiracy theories have been proven to be falsehood.
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what's the reason to think that it could be the government? was it too hard to imagine otherwise (an understandable reaction to major catastrophes) , or just because the tories in some way may have benefitted from it? it's the the last one, the thing that makes this way of thinking fall apart is that you have to consider someone will benefit from a major event, and someone else not as much. if labour had capatalised on the manchester thing, pushed it as a clear sign tories policies are creating issues etc, then you'd likely be thinking it was labour that did the bombings, for no reason other than they came out better from it than the tories.
 
It would be a nightmare scenario to try and control the scene to fake stage such an attack so as conspiracies go they'd either have to have had intel on the attack and purposefully done nothing to stop it or I guess radicalised someone and given them the means and push to carry it out but I don't really buy that - it would give some people involved far too much leverage over the government - I can't see anyone at government level with the kind of aspirations they have putting themselves in such a compromised position.
 
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