You didn't say that all. You just said some nonsense about nicotine not being as "addictive as some people think".
Removing/reducing nicotine in Cigarettes - good idea or nanny state gone to far?
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Yeah, because of the other instances I detailed earlier.
Even peer reviewers, some of whom conducted the blind reinforcement studies to test nicotine addictiveness, questioned why the FDA's conclusions were so very counter to the results of their tests.
It does have some addictive element and it is a factor, but not a strong one and certainly not the defining one that people peddle it to be.
Okay so your argument is the only thing proven to be addictive in cigarettes is not the addictive bit of smoking?
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I've never smoked, so this is my concern too in that they'll go after stuff that we all enjoy such as alcohol, caffeine and the odd takeaway. We should be allowed it, with some of the tax / duty going into the NHS. In fact, I'm enjoying a pork pie as I type this post
Wagon Wheels are so small nowadays, that I would hardly consider them to be a health risk. You would have to eat about 20 of them every day over several years as they are that microscopic
I quite like the idea of low / no-alcohol beers, however personally, if I want a reduced-strength beer, I'll have it as a shandy. That's where half of it is lemonade which then turns it in to a 2% drink. If I'm having 0%, then I'll have a Pepsi Max.
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If it were so addictive, reducing it would have lessened the smoking in all the FDA trials, no?
This is poor logic even for you
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Go on, then, what am I missing with my logic?
Something failed in over two decades of trials, but they're going to do the same thing and expect it to be a resounding success that saves a billion lives... Will this dead horse miraculously resurrect itself?
Semantics, what matters is the resulting black market effect.
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It doesn’t help when some supermarkets and places like B&M have vaping stuff on the shop floor so the kids can take what they want.
My store doesn’t have vaping stuff on the shop floor - only at kiosk. Have a few customers who work at other stores and shops that sell this on shelves tell us about the amount of vaping stuff nicked and see empty packaging dumped everywhere
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Everyone I know who don’t drink for religion, health and personal choice don’t drink the alcohol free stuff.I've never smoked, so this is my concern too in that they'll go after stuff that we all enjoy such as alcohol, caffeine and the odd takeaway. We should be allowed it, with some of the tax / duty going into the NHS. In fact, I'm enjoying a pork pie as I type this post
Wagon Wheels are so small nowadays, that I would hardly consider them to be a health risk. You would have to eat about 20 of them every day over several years as they are that microscopic
I quite like the idea of low / no-alcohol beers, however personally, if I want a reduced-strength beer, I'll have it as a shandy. That's where half of it is lemonade which then turns it in to a 2% drink. If I'm having 0%, then I'll have a Pepsi Max.
Have some non alcoholic gins which are more expensive than the proper stuff!!!
Having come off nicotine through vaping, and experimenting with various strengths of vape fluid, I disagree that nicotine isn't the major element in addiction.
There was little difference in the nagging urges, whether I was on 18 mg/ml, or 3 mg/ml....any amount of nicotine was enough to keep the addiction going.
As soon as I shifted to 0% nicotine vape fluid....the urge to vape disappeared and I chucked the vape within two weeks. Haven't touched nicotine since, that was 4-5 years ago now.
It's bad enough what a ripoff alcoholic gin is, it's one of the cheapest spirits to make, just get a base spirit and chuck some botanicals for a bit...ta da...gin. There's a reason why the gin market exploded, because the margins are massive, easy money.
Can't believe people buy non-alcoholic gin, that's just bloody daft. Just buy some tonic and chuck some fresh herbs in it.
Having to swear to make your point isn't a good look. The reason why others are interested is because of the strain smoking related illnesses put on the rest of us taxpayers. It isn't difficult to join the dots.
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So, I/we have lower intelligence then. Compared to what, whom? A dog, mushroom?
I wont tell you why it's not stupid to smoke because I don't think anyone has said it's not stupid to smoke including myself.
Smokers know its stupid to smoke. It doesn't make them stupid for doing so. I know many, many clever, highly intelligent and successful people. Guess what? They smoke too. You must be a ******* genius if you don't smoke.
For what it's worth my wife is highly intelligent and I consider myself pretty intelligent also, certainly not stupid.
You can relax then - tax revenue from tobacco is huge, and based on some quick research appears to cover the cost of looking after smokers.
Cost is one equation. The other is the resources it ties up for people who haven't self-harmed.
That doesn't really follow. Ultimately if smokers pay more in tax than they cost the government then there is no net strain on resources, because resources are paid for with money.
NHS resources are not allocated using an S&OP framework. They are spread thinly to do everything as everyone is entitled to care.
Edit: in case I am coming off righteous, I smoked for 10 years