Replica watches?
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Violent-J said:
The ETA 2892 is indeed a very good movement, but, since the trade price was £130 the last time I looked, it's doubtful that a £100 watch actually has one.
Sequoia said:
Can you not accept that certain people love the design of expensive watches but don't have the means to pay for them, so replicas are a nice stop-gap solution whilst they save for a real one or perhaps even if they don't?
If you take the argument as being "people buy fakes to pose" then surely the same applies to those who buy real watches, since you're dismissing any kind of aesthetic attraction someone might have to a design?
2892+2893 are virtually identical ,the 2893 only comes in 21 jewel form and can has a dual time feature, the 2892 comes in 17+21 jewel form and has no dual time,like clockworks said - the movement itself is over £100 ,there is a large influx of chinese made fakes (movements) around at the moment which are crap compared the the ETA models they are faking ,with watch movents if its to good to be true,it usually is,the link i provided earlier give most movements and prices and if they dont have the movement in question then otto+frei will in the states ,so you can get a rought idea how much the movement is on its own compared to the rest of the watch,the 2892 was first made in 1975 so you could get one sub £100 in a vintage watch or if someone is recasing them,there are 3 versions 2982-2892/2-2892a2.
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On the face front, I wanted a Seiko Kinetic Auto Relay since they were released and couldn't afford one, but instead of buying a replica I purchased a second hand one and it's great
An old school friend's father bought me a replica Seamaster and it was a bad bad bad copy, colours were all wrong, etc. I much prefer wearing my auto relay or my G-shock.
On the face front, I wanted a Seiko Kinetic Auto Relay since they were released and couldn't afford one, but instead of buying a replica I purchased a second hand one and it's great
An old school friend's father bought me a replica Seamaster and it was a bad bad bad copy, colours were all wrong, etc. I much prefer wearing my auto relay or my G-shock.Yup there are CN reps of the 2892 movement, but seem to be quite rare, certainly none reported in reps from that site from what I have seen on the rep forums.pugster said:
But your comment on quality goes against everything I have seen otherwise, watchmakers of other sites have comment on how quality is virtually indistinguishable from ETA.
The ones ive seen have been terrible ,tho tbh it was some time ago and i dont follow the replica watch circles so maybe there has been improvement over the last year or so,according to the federation of the swiss watchmaking organization, a non-swiss watch using a swiss movement must say 'Swiss Movement' on the dial, not 'Swiss Mvmt', doing a quick bit of research it seems cases/movement/dials etc come from all over the place,i never really looked into this before and a assumed if it was purchased as swiss then it was,so your swiss watch probably has a swiss case,a chinese movement and was assembled in india or any combination of the three 
,go glashutte and you know its all been made in germany,pity i cant afford one .
,go glashutte and you know its all been made in germany,pity i cant afford one .Surprising as daytona's have always been an easy spot, and a £100 version would definitely have incorrect sub dial spacing due to the cheaper movement. Chances are the guy valuing it didn't have a clue, he certainly couldn't of opened the case back or checked the papers properly at the very least.
Going back to the 2892 quickly, I remember reading recently that Franck Muller got in to deep water for using these replica ETA movements, they really are that good. I also remember reading that they are manufactured by a company called seagull (I think) that used to be a sub contractor for ETA.
Going back to the 2892 quickly, I remember reading recently that Franck Muller got in to deep water for using these replica ETA movements, they really are that good. I also remember reading that they are manufactured by a company called seagull (I think) that used to be a sub contractor for ETA.
mmm ,just read that eta apparently outsource for builds in asia, so i guess quality depends on whether its an outsourced movement or an actual copy,something learnt for me with a bit of searching ,the ones i saw must have been copys cause i could have made better with mild steel and a nailfile 
,the ones i saw must have been copys cause i could have made better with mild steel and a nailfile Based on the examples in my personal experience, people that buy fake copies of expensive watches do so because they want people to think they are wearing an expensive watch. All too often such wearing is overtly conspicuous. It strikes me as a bit like driving a Fiat tricked out to 'look like' a Ferrari. However, I accept that my personal experience is not exhaustive, and that there may be people that just like the design.robmiller said:
But "fake" just goes against the grain with me. Personally, you wouldn't catch me wearing a fake. I just don't understand the attraction. I think it's plain naff. But as I said, if that's what rocks your boat .....
But I would also add that I don't like real Rolexes, for instance, and one of the reasons is that not only do fakes scream "poser", but all to often, so do real ones. Of all the people I've discussed this with over the years, when I've asked why they bought one, the answer has usually been been "they're the best, aren't they?"
Not only would my response to that be "Errr, no", but the inference is because Rolex are known to be expensive, and that, all too often, is why people want them.
So, having probably now offended :-
1) Anyone that's bought a fake
2) Anyone that's bought a Rolex
3) Anyone that aspires to a Rolex
..... let me add this.
If you like something and want it, buy it, regardless of what I or anybody else thinks. If that happens to be a Rolex, so be it. But if you're buying it so you can be seen wearing a Rolex (whether fake or not), sorry, but it's just posing.
robmiller, yes I can accept your logic. It could be. I suppose someone has to love the design of Rolex, though personally I wouldn't wear one if Rolex gave it to me and paid me to wear it. Not only don't I like the design, but they're the probably number 1 on the pretentious poser's accessory list. But, robmiller, the vast majority of people I've met wearing Rolexs seem far too keen to make sure other people know they're wearing one.
I certainly have nothing against expensive watches. I have several. I bought them because I liked the style, and while they do have top quality movements, frankly, that wasn't why I bought them. Or at least, not primarily. But, as I've said before, most people would look at most of those watches on my wrist, and not give it a second thought. They certainly aren't going to think "Wow, expensive watch", because unless they're something of a watch enthusiast, the odds are that they won't recognise the name, let alone recognise the watch.
I will also add that I've been accused, on this forum, of showing off just for mentioning that I have these watches. It's why you don't find me mentioning material possessions very often, any more ..... even when I have something to add that might be informative or just maybe interesting.
Oh, and despite having several expensive watches, my normal day-to-day knocking around watch is a Seiko Kinetic. Why? Because I like it, of course.
I think the car analogy is a poor one, if it looks like a Ferrari and powered by a Ferrari engine, then that's fine be me. Granted not all reps are.
Personally I find from spending a lot of time on replica watch forums that rep wearers are people that have a genuine love of auto watches but cannot afford them. For example Franck muller use 2892 movements in 10k watches people can't afford that, and why bother when you can have a 2892 powered FM for $200?
It's difficult to get well made swiss powered watches for cheap unless they are reps. This is backed up by the large number of people that will build themselfs francken watches from rep parts which bare no manufactures logos.
Just to add to this 'Poser' stuff being banded about....I would feel like far more of a poser if I bought the real thing, as that really is style over content to the absolute extreme!
Personally I find from spending a lot of time on replica watch forums that rep wearers are people that have a genuine love of auto watches but cannot afford them. For example Franck muller use 2892 movements in 10k watches people can't afford that, and why bother when you can have a 2892 powered FM for $200?
It's difficult to get well made swiss powered watches for cheap unless they are reps. This is backed up by the large number of people that will build themselfs francken watches from rep parts which bare no manufactures logos.
Just to add to this 'Poser' stuff being banded about....I would feel like far more of a poser if I bought the real thing, as that really is style over content to the absolute extreme!
fatty1 said:My sister bought me a replica tag watch ages ago on one of her worldly travels I never wore it but I do remember pulling it out of its box after about 6 months and the hands had fallen off and it had started to rust
That was probably one of the shoddy €3 watches bought off a street corner from a suitcase
Greece has loads of people selling them