Right, self defence when does it start?

[BlackDragon]

Although violence is wrong most of the times, the runt deserved it. These days people go around thinking they own the place and nobody can stop them, and indeed nobody can stop them other than give them a slap on the wrist or send them to jail (which is a joke tbh). With these people, violence is all they deserve.

 

[Werewolf]

If you feel you are threatened, especially if the person being threatening has a history of violence or has alrady stated they are going to attack you I believe the law is basically that you are able to hit first - it's not quite so easy to defend yourself against any potential charges as if you let them have the first strike, but you don't need to actually have been hit to strike out in self defence.

At least that's how I understand it.

 

[Spyhop]

or send them to jail (which is a joke tbh)

They play playstation all day while riding quadbikes and eating beefburgers, etc, etc?

 

[MrSix]

Would punching someone be ok then?

Depends on your intention.
For example if that same situation happened to me, I wouldn't have punched him when he was right in my face I would have taken him to the floor and then given him a talking to to make him realise he's not as hard as he thinks. However I do teach self defence and therefor I'm more conditioned to thinking that way due to the amount of times per week I actually do it.

In his situation if he was being overly aggressive and looked as though he was going to start a fight, an open hand slap to side of the head would have done just the trick.

 

[BlackDragon]

They play playstation all day while riding quadbikes and eating beefburgers, etc, etc?

I wouldn't be surprised. Prison just isn't punishing to be classed as real punishment. They should get just enough food and drink to survive, be forced to do manual labour of some sort, and basically treated like the filth most of them are.

In his situation if he was being overly aggressive and looked as though he was going to start a fight, an open hand slap to side of the head would have done just the trick.

Surely that would have provoked an already fired up person to hit you back?

 

[ALLI]

Tell him if he goes to the Feds he's a GRAAAAASS.

Then go all pink and angry and Phil Mitchell his @ss.

 

[MrSix]

Surely that would have provoked an already fired up person to hit you back?

I don't mean a clip round the ear.
Open hand strikes are extremely effective if done right. You make a cupping shape around your opponents ear and it can, if done correctly, burst their eardrum. Even if you don't land it perfectly, the pressure it causes is hugely dissorientating and enough to give you the opportunity to then take your opponent to the ground.

 

[Kristoph]

I've got a question that is slightly on topic... I've been doing kickboxing for a short while now, and will be doing it for the next 2 years or so, and my instructor went through a few things that we could use on the 'street' as he put it - if we were attacked.

Now these things were brutal, and I cant help but think if you did anything like this you'd be taking the 'self defence' term towards more like 'mortal kombat' terms. I'm talking about dropping knees on peoples faces, choking them to the ground and kicking them in the face with your shin.. and things like taking them down from behind and elbowing them in the face whilst they're down.

Surely the police would view this as a slightly over the top use of self defence?

 

[Cr0fty]

Phone him up and tell him to **** off....Or you'll nut him again.

Fair play to you though.

Although it could have been more alpha!
Where was the stamping?

 

[BlackDragon]

Aaah thought you meant a simple slap hehe

Well if that is how you are trained in self defence then that is how it might have to be done. Just make sure that when you have the upper hand on them, you don't make any more moves. That is unless they try and get the upper hand on you, such as trying to get out of a grip or pulls a weapon out then you should incapacitate them.

I think maybe your instructor has taught you that stuff in case someone pulls a weapon out on you.

 

[MrSix]

I've got a question that is slightly on topic... I've been doing kickboxing for a short while now, and will be doing it for the next 2 years or so, and my instructor went through a few things that we could use on the 'street' as he put it - if we were attacked.

Now these things were brutal, and I cant help but think if you did anything like this you'd be taking the 'self defence' term towards more like 'mortal kombat' terms. I'm talking about dropping knees on peoples faces, choking them to the ground and kicking them in the face with your shin.. and things like taking them down from behind and elbowing them in the face whilst they're down.

Surely the police would view this as a slightly over the top use of self defence?

You're absolutely correct.
This is the problem with many 'martial arts' academies, they are run by instructors who have no concept of how to transfer skills from the ring, outside to the real world where there are laws and morals - they also have egos bigger than their training halls.

You have to gauge exactly how much force you should use in a given situation. For example somebody drunk on a night out giving you stick can easily be rectified by verbal methods. Compliance and diffusing the situation verbally is one of THE most important ways to defend youself.

If you do have to turn physical, then you need to consider a number of factors. Is it even worth fighting? If they have a knife and want your wallet, then give it to them. Even Bruce Lee would have struggled to defend himself confidently against a knife in a real situation.

If your instructor is telling you to shin strike to the face as self defence, then take anything else he says with a very large fist full of salt.
Kicking anywhere above waist height is asking for trouble, kicking to the face outside of the training hall is too easy to mess up. I speak from personal experience and also from stories of training buddies.

Weapons to use on the street: Open hands, fists, elbows, knees, shins, feet.

In a life or death situation - forget all of that and do anything.

 

[Adam18290]

Not saying that the person didnt ask for it but technically its not self defence as youve used too much force in the headbutting and punching.
For it to be self defence you would have to use reasonable force, and in your case the force is a bit excessive.

 

[Dave M]

I doubt the police will be interested in a domestic with no evidence so I think you are safe.

Very likely.

Just walk away from the idiot in future, he's not worth the hassle.

Can't recommend that - I used to be of the same opinion many years ago and it did me no good at all. Acting like a bit of a thug goes a long way with some people.

 

[Realist]

Well done M8 and if it was me he'd be in hospital drinking out of a straw for a few weeks.

People like that can only get what they want with foul language and using there fists on people they know they will win, and its about time people like you stood up to thugs like that.

Well done.

If he ask's for the money again give him another smack again but harder, this way he'll get the message once and for all.

I tell him to F off, he asks if i have a problem etc and up in my face asking for a fight, so i nutted him and then a bit of a punch up follows

 

[James07]

deny all knowledge?

KaHn

 

[neoboy]

Does he actually have any considerable bruises and/or do any of the family want to give statements against you?

 

[al123]

You were quite right imo, why is a 23 year old acting like a child anyway?!

I doubt the police would be interested as it sounds like a pretty minor domestic.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Headbutting someone is not reasonable force, so technically you're in the wrong.

That being said, I doubt much will come of it given that he's a tool and there's not much to go to the police with. Especially given that the story would have to start with "I was menacing my gran for money..."

 

[Kristoph]

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The instructor runs his own club, which belongs to a nationwide company. I think the way he trains people is for in the ring fighting, and probably shouldn't have mentioned using it for anything outside the ring. He's a quality instructor, and doesn't come across as being arrogant.

When you said end the situation verbally, you mean 'the negotiator' style or 'football factory' style.

To be honest with you I've never had a serious fight, couple of scraps but never started one. Hopefully training with my mate on the pads will help if the day does come someone does attack me or start a fight..

Kicking anywhere above waist height is asking for trouble

I've got a fairly quick/powerful kick - I've given my mate a nasty dead leg where he couldn't stand on it through the pads we use. Anything lower aimed at the knees or shin would hopefully take them off their feet.

As for knives, I'm pretty quick.....

......at the 100m sprint.

 

[Biohazard]

Well done for not taking any crap off the wee blighter.

Tbh in that situation with someone in your face aggressively in those circumstances a nut would perhaps be a second thought but understandable none the less if he is unsavoury, with history.

Speak to the family, and speak to him after a while. If her family is with you, he will not press charges. Even if he did, he was damaging your vehicle and the behaviour he exhibited threatened you and your partner’s safety and is reason enough to attack him.

Hope it turns out well in the end.