Right, self defence when does it start?

MrSix said:
I have no doubt the instructor is good at what he teaches, but as I said before, ignore his advice on using high kicks and competition fighting techniques outside of the training hall.
You may have fairly quick/poweful kicks, so do I, but all it takes is for them to catch your leg if you aim high (not that hard to do) and it's game over.
As you said, low kicks are what you want. I personally have used a low roundhouse to the side of the knee to end an altercation in one go.

When I said verbally, I mean calmly dealing with a situation - for example if you accidentally bumped in to a thug and spilled his drink, open hands up in front of you (passive / submissive stance which can be used as a fighting stance), "Really sorry mate, here let me buy you a new one". That way you've diffused the situation before it's even had chance to develop.

Sure, some people are out looking for a fight, but with them you have to massaage their ego by being the submissive one, saying how it's your fault and you don't want trouble. If you're sure they're going to kick off and not accept your apology, then half way through saying "Look mate, I don't want any tr...", you get your first shot in and make it count.

(Obviously all the advice I'm giving here are my own personal views, based on my experiences and training. In no way am I reccomending that anybody else tries it nor am I trying to inflate my own ego by making out I'm some sort of martial arts master)
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i swear we've been to the same classes on aggression control. you mentioned the open handed slap to the side of the head as well yeah?
 
Richdog said:
Yay, I was wondering when the first "I know martial arts and you should have used X technique, let me explain it to you in mind-numbing detail" post would crop up, they always do in these threads.:D
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I would hardly call my clarification "mind numbing".

Richdog said:
Just out of interest MrSix, what MA do you do, how long have you done it, and how often do you have to use it in real-life?
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I've studied Tang Soo Do for 15 years and I now instruct. Working for Combat magazine also allowed me to attend a vast number of seminars of all different styles where I have picked up a lot of useful information from various masters and instructors from around the world. I also do MMA training for a bit of fun, it's probably the most useful one I do for actual 'fight' training, because we practice full contact and it's both stand up and grappling.

I've had to defend myself on countless occasions, but not physically for most of them. As I described earlier, one of the best methods of self defence you can learn as a martial artist is how to defend yourself verbally. The way I am has gotten me out of many altercations (and my friends) without a punch being thrown where meat heads think we're easy prey.

I've had to physically defend myself twice.
Once was from a guy who was out of his tree on drugs in a nightclub and was actually being escorted out by the bouncers. He was coming towards me and I laughed to my friend at him being frog marched out of the club. He broke free from the bouncers and swung for me, so I hit him as he swung through and put him on the floor - the bouncers took him away and in to the waiting police van!

The other time was when I was walking home from a friends house after work and two lads approached me asking for the time. When I said I didn't have a watch they asked for my phone and I told them I didnt have one. One of the lads reached for my pocket so I grabbed his wrist and told them both to **** off. Anyway, one of the lads grabbed my other arm and tried to hold me while the other one went through my pockets, so I kicked the one infront of me in the side of the knee and he went down with a scream. The other one let go and I turned around ready to take him out, but he was just looking at his mate sat on the floor holding his knee screaming. I told them both to **** off once more and that I was calling the police. The one who was standing proceeded to ditch his mate and ran and the police picked up the other guy 5 minutes later. I had to go in for questioning because the lad had dislocated his knee and was claiming it was because I'd kicked him.
But I'm pretty confident I only pushed him away from me and he fell funny...so were the police.

DanH84 said:
i swear we've been to the same classes on aggression control. you mentioned the open handed slap to the side of the head as well yeah?
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I did, and we may well have been :)
 
MrSix said:
Sure, some people are out looking for a fight, but with them you have to massaage their ego by being the submissive one, saying how it's your fault and you don't want trouble. If you're sure they're going to kick off and not accept your apology, then half way through saying "Look mate, I don't want any tr...", you get your first shot in and make it count.
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Best way to do it, they get to feel like the big man and I get to avoid any brusing to my lovely face :p
 
Realist said:
Well done M8 and if it was me he'd be in hospital drinking out of a straw for a few weeks.

People like that can only get what they want with foul language and using there fists on people they know they will win, and its about time people like you stood up to thugs like that.

Well done.

If he ask's for the money again give him another smack again but harder, this way he'll get the message once and for all.
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Stick your spacebar up his nose as well.
 
Richdog said:
Ahh so basically Korean Karate with a coloured belt system (most schools even advertise as karate now sadly enough) so not a proper self-defence art anyway.:p
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We had a recent instructors meeting with the Chief instructor of the organisation and were considering changing the name to Kong Soo Do, (Way of the open hand) because what we do is so vastly different from traditional Tang Soo Do due to the influence of my Instructor on the style that he teaches.
We have a number of self defence techniques that are taught as part of the syllabus (One step, three step and grabbing techniques) and so I would argue that 'my' Tang Soo Do most certainly encompasses self defence as well as the traditional heritage.
 
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